Riot in Tottenham

[Mike N]

Re: Riot in Tottenham (continued)

The police have played a fucking blinder tonight. Standing round doing fuck all whilst people's property and houses are going up in smoke. Awful.

 

[GStar]

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who said open fire?

send them in armed, see their reactions.

nailed on these bastards wouldn't challenge their authority.

all will be back to normal by tomorrow night.

So they push the boundries, and push the boundries and a load of armed men do what... nothing? What message does that send out to those people? "If the Government are using guns against me, then i'm using guns against them"

Well we quelled the looting, now, about all these bodies...

 

[stony]

Re: Riot in Tottenham (continued)

Gstar, maybe what you are not seeing is people's frustration on here with the apparent inability of the authorities to stop this and that frustration is showing itself in some extreme suggestions. I am not a violent person but I can see no other course of action than to batter a few until we regain control. Teargas, water cannon - whatever it takes otherwise anarchy rules and that is not acceptable in this country

Nope, every passing image i'm watching pisses me off more and more.

But anyone who thinks sending in armed forces, to randomly open fire... i haven't got words i could use on here without getting banned. Stupid isn't the word.

I'd be completely on board with water cannons etc... get people back in line, but we're a democracy not a dictatorship. And the people on here, imo are worse than the rioters; "The scumbags should be met with cretinous actions in the name of justice"?

Yea, right.

Plastic bullets are the way forward imo and big fucking sticks with knobs on. I would send in whatever or whoever was necessary to put a stop to this and bring the cunts to task.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

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if they were running and looting in kensington, the full force of available military/ police personnel would have been enforced. but because its the poorer areas such as croydon and hackney the police will possibly be told to only use necessary force. these are people who you cannot reason with at this moment in time so dialogue is wasted on them. its mob rule and must we wait for innocent people to be killed before we react?

If they were looting Kensington there would have been a couple of air-strikes called in by now.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

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The Turkish shopowners in Dalston have it right

...the incident has clearly shaken the large Turkish community here. Many shopkeepers are on the street talking about how they chased away the gang of youths behind the bus fire.

"We beat up four of them quite badly and they ran off," one man, who wouldn't give his name, said. Another said: "this is not justice, coming here and trying to attack us." Notably several businesses are still open as usual here, unlike other violence hit areas.

We've just watched a mob of locals chase a gang of hoodies down the main road, with police vans on full siren in pursuit.

Get in.

Thank fuck this community is not prepared to be bullied by these fuckin urchins.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Re: Riot in Tottenham (continued)

The Turkish shopowners in Dalston have it right

...the incident has clearly shaken the large Turkish community here. Many shopkeepers are on the street talking about how they chased away the gang of youths behind the bus fire.

"We beat up four of them quite badly and they ran off," one man, who wouldn't give his name, said. Another said: "this is not justice, coming here and trying to attack us." Notably several businesses are still open as usual here, unlike other violence hit areas.

We've just watched a mob of locals chase a gang of hoodies down the main road, with police vans on full siren in pursuit.

Get in.

They have attacked our pie shops but they will never get the better of our brave kebab men on the front line. Fighting for donner survival and to protect their shish and pitta. True heroes.

They're tough as old nails those kebab men.

 

[SWP's back]

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Send in the army minus live ammo. We can't have the armed forces shooting people on the streets.

The army would add man power, give them tear gas, water canons and rubber bullets.

This is madness.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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Because the police are too afraid of the consequences of going in hard

I like your posts Ronnie, but this statement is wrong. The HRA is a wonderful piece of legislation and in no way hampers the police's rights to enforce the law fully in circumstances such as this.

I am happy to be corrected. Please explain. If a copper biffs one of these 'protesters' they will get sued

All the Human Rights Act does is enshrine the European Convention on Human Rights in UK law - although it has applied in this country since 1951.

In terms of Article 11 - Freedom of assembly the Convention says:

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

This Article is further qualified as follows:


2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.

I counted about nine get out clauses there!

There is no way that any rioter would have a leg to stand on in respect of the HRA unless the circumstances were extraordinary - like a rogue copper going on a shooting frenzy.

I see it as an important piece of legislation because it safeguards our rights against the state. Having read your posts I though you'd see that as a good thing;-)

 

[Skashion]

Re: Riot in Tottenham (continued)

Send in the army minus live ammo. We can't have the armed forces shooting people on the streets.

The army would add man power, give them tear gas, water canons and rubber bullets.

This is madness.

If they send the army in with live ammunition, this country is in civil war.

 

[lee-mcfc]

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fuck sake this is crap now the football season has only jus started and everything is being postponed