Rise in violence towards UK police

Different circumstances. A modern society in a country where food is plentiful v a war ridden country with food rationing.

I appreciate there are good and bad across the whole age spectrum, but there is definitely a worrying trend amongst the younger population.
I'm not sure if age is the biggest factor. For a society to work we have to weigh our personal freedoms against societal obligations. I think we are all pretty keen on our individual rights, not so well versed in our obligations nowadays.
Covid protests in London being a case in point. A load of individuals decided it was their right to ditch distancing, masks and declare the whole virus thing a breach of their liberty and a conspiracy - probably the same bunch setting fire to mobile phone masts a few months back. Not so keen on their obligations to society as a whole to keep the virus in check and not risk everyone elses health. I suppose they see it as for the greater good - especially if covid is a conspiracy as they suggest.
 
Chicken and egg
Seems like young people behaving in a different way to what old people expect is an entirely new concept....

“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances.

They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle.
4th Century BC


“The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money.”
Horace
1st Century BC


“Modern fashions seem to keep on growing more and more debased … The ordinary spoken language has also steadily coarsened. People used to say ‘raise the carriage shafts’ or ‘trim the lamp wick,’ but people today say ‘raise it’ or ‘trim it.’ When they should say, ‘Let the men of the palace staff stand forth!’ they say, ‘Torches! Let’s have some light!’”

“Modern fashions seem to keep on growing more and more debased … The ordinary spoken language has also steadily coarsened. People used to say ‘raise the carriage shafts’ or ‘trim the lamp wick,’ but people today say ‘raise it’ or ‘trim it.’ When they should say, ‘Let the men of the palace staff stand forth!’ they say, ‘Torches! Let’s have some light!’”
Tsurezuregusa (Essays in Idleness), Yoshida Kenkō
1330 – 1332
(Essays in Idleness), Yoshida Kenkō


“Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.”
The Wise-Man’s Forecast against the Evill Time, Thomas Barnes
1624


“… I find by sad Experience how the Towns and Streets are filled with lewd wicked Children, and many Children as they have played about the Streets have been heard to curse and swear and call one another Nick-names, and it would grieve ones Heart to hear what bawdy and filthy Communications proceeds from the Mouths of such…”
A Little Book for Children and Youth – Being Good Counsel and Instructions for Your Children, Earnestly Exhorting Them to Resist the Temptation of the Devil, Robert Russel
1695


“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt…”
Letter in Town and Country magazine republished in Paris Fashion: A Cultural History
1771


“The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth…”
Memoirs of the Bloomsgrove Family, Reverend Enos Hitchcock
1790



“…a fearful multitude of untutored savages… [boys] with dogs at their heels and other evidence of dissolute habits…[girls who] drive coal-carts, ride astride upon horses, drink, swear, fight, smoke, whistle, and care for nobody…the morals of children are tenfold worse than formerly.”
Anthony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, Speech to the House of Commons
February 28, 1843


“… see the simpering little beau of ten gallanting home the little coquette of eight, each so full of self-conceit and admiration of their own dear self, as to have but little to spare for any one else…”
“Children And Children’s Parties”, published in The Mothers’ Journal and Family Visitant, S.B.S. 1853

“Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline…”
The Psychology of Adolescence, Granville Stanley Hall
1904


“We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.”
The Conduct of Young People, Hull Daily Mail
1925


brat.
“The bad manners of all parliaments, the general tendency to connive at a rather shady business transaction if it promises to bring in money without work, jazz … women painted like prostitutes, the efforts of writers to win popularity by ridiculing…the correctness of well-bred people, and the bad taste shown even by the nobility and old princely families in throwing off every kind of social restraint and time-honoured custom: all of these go to prove that it is now the vulgar mob that gives the tone.”
Hour of Decision, Oswald Spengler (translated by C.F. Atkinson, 1942)
1933


“Probably there is no period in history in which young people have given such emphatic utterance to a tendency to reject that which is old and to wish for that which is new.”
Young People Drinking More, Portsmouth Evening News 1933

“Parents themselves were often the cause of many difficulties. They frequently failed in their obvious duty to teach self-control and discipline to their own children.”
Problems of Young People, Leeds Mercury 1938

“Many [young people] were so pampered nowadays that they had forgotten that there was such a thing as walking, and they made automatically for the buses… unless they did something, the future for walking was very poor indeed.”
Scottish Rights of Way: More Young People Should Use Them, Falkirk Herald 1951
 
There's a generation or two of absolute scumbags roaming the streets of the UK so it's of no surprise the people who are there to keep them in check are being targeted more nowadays.
It won't get any better anytime soon, sadly.
 
Oddly enough I visited Moss Side yesterday and had to pop into the big Asda superstore. Outside the entrance police set up with a round table sort of meet and greet' except they approached nobody and nobody approached them. Moss Side is still predominantly Black, but that Asda is melting pot of race.

Coming in and out I saw nobody talk to them, just inquisitive looks at them.

Granted it could have been timing on my part, but both times I had to lock and unlock my bike and no attempt at contact was made either way.

And no Black officers were present. I found that rather interesting.

I take it you had no inclanation to go and speak to the officers? Then you could have asked where the black officers were.
 
Oddly enough I visited Moss Side yesterday and had to pop into the big Asda superstore. Outside the entrance police set up with a round table sort of meet and greet' except they approached nobody and nobody approached them. Moss Side is still predominantly Black, but that Asda is melting pot of race.

Coming in and out I saw nobody talk to them, just inquisitive looks at them.

Granted it could have been timing on my part, but both times I had to lock and unlock my bike and no attempt at contact was made either way.

And no Black officers were present. I found that rather interesting.
The van and table was surrounded with 'crime scene' tape, no wonder no one approached them, it wasn't exactly welcoming was it.
 
A lot of people, idiots, have bought into this American hard left narrative that the police are oppressors. That as an institution they're just the strong arm of the "oppressive system". All this politically charged racial crap coming via America is rubbing off on us because of their cultural dominance of the English speaking world.

Shortly after the whole George Floyd thing kicked off and everyone was talking about race and the police there was a girl at work who said "people say it's not as bad in the UK, but I think if our police had guns it'd be just as bad". I was pretty much speechless. She's white and has zero experience with the police, and I don't know if she genuinely believed what she said or if she was just trying to pander and not go against the narrative, but it goes to show how far this nonsense has gone.

So many people are afraid to voice criticism of these "progressive" voices pushing this stuff so all we get are their ideas and beliefs being unchallenged and one of the results is the growth of this anti police/authority rhetoric.

We're not the 51st state of the US. People need to stop viewing our social issues through their prism. Their issues are not ours.

I have friends who liked and shared that video of that fucking tool goading that copper when he mentioned the officer who got shot. It's the whole thing in microcosm IMO.

Pathetic victim mentalities and a complete lack of social cohesion and trust in authorities. It's both a mix of a lack of trust through genuine or imagined grievances, and a pathetic and childlike anti authority mindset IMO. And it isn't going to improve until things calm down in America or we can divorce ourselves from the bullshit coming out of America.
 
Covid protests in London being a case in point. A load of individuals decided it was their right to ditch distancing, masks and declare the whole virus thing a breach of their liberty and a conspiracy - probably the same bunch setting fire to mobile phone masts a few months back. Not so keen on their obligations to society as a whole to keep the virus in check and not risk everyone elses health. I suppose they see it as for the greater good - especially if covid is a conspiracy as they suggest.
What even is the conspiracy? That they lying and people aren't actually dying? Or that people are dying, but that somehow masks, social distancing and staying at home don't stop the spread, and it's all some vast plot to control us? Presumably by all of the world's governments at the same time? Who are suddenly able to work together on this despite never being able to agree on anything else? Or is it like climate change and vaccine deniers, where they change exactly what the conspiracy is moment to moment?
 
What even is the conspiracy? That they lying and people aren't actually dying? Or that people are dying, but that somehow masks, social distancing and staying at home don't stop the spread, and it's all some vast plot to control us? Presumably by all of the world's governments at the same time? Who are suddenly able to work together on this despite never being able to agree on anything else? Or is it like climate change and vaccine deniers, where they change exactly what the conspiracy is moment to moment?
Fuck knows - all of the above probably.
 
A lot of people, idiots, have bought into this American hard left narrative that the police are oppressors. That as an institution they're just the strong arm of the "oppressive system". All this politically charged racial crap coming via America is rubbing off on us because of their cultural dominance of the English speaking world.
Let's be honest though, BLM hasn't just resonated around the world because everyone's obsessed with everything American. There aren't people on the streets in the UK decrying anti-Mexican racism. BLM has resonated around the world because the situation in America is a more extreme version of the way black people experience the police in most countries where they're a minority. It's 20 years since the Met police were described in a report as institutionally racist. Here's a story from a year before George Floyd's death to show that these sentiments aren't just a reaction to what's happening in America, they're a reflection of feelings about the police in black communities here too.
 

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