robin van persie (continued)

[M18CTID]

I'm not sure that this reading is entirely fair. In the case of a player who actively seeks a transfer away from the club as Carlos Tevez did, I agree that unless we get a deal which suits us, he should rot. But in the case of players such as Adebayor where the club decided within 12 months of signing them that they were surplus to requirements, the responsibility lies with us to pay the contract up to move the player on, when the contract we originally gave him is so prohibitively high that there's little chance of anyone else matching it. It is just my opinion, but Adebayor has done nothing wrong and nothing to warrant some of the things which are being said about him. He had a very good season with us, which included the awful incident during the ACON. The new gaffer decided he wanted to go in a different direction which is his prerogative. So the onus lies with the club to see players such as Adebayor right.

So why does he say money isn't important, playing football is. hes got the chance to play football but he is letting money stop this from happening. If Adebayor was truthful & said Im greedy & want the money it wouldnt be as bad n here but as he is blatantly lying then he deserves all the abuse he gets & a hell of a lot more to boot

I believe he has said openly that he will not leave City for less money than he is currently on. I don't see any lying involved there. I'm sure playing football is as important to him as my job is to me. But if my employer gave me a big contract then tried to move me on somewhere else without paying that contract up I would also dig my heels in and refuse to leave without a full settlement.

It's also worth remembering that outgoing negotiations are the same as incoming ones because they are ultimately about money. I wouldn't call any of the players we signed last summer greedy yet they are all probably earning more money at City than they would have done anywhere else. The Nasri negotiations are a good example of how players take as long as they possibly can to make sure they get the best deal they possibly can.

But City are prepared to make sure Ade doesn't take a hit on the last 2 years of his contract if and when he gets sold in terms of either accepting a reduced transfer fee from Spurs who then make up the difference by paying Ade the difference or getting the full fee off Spurs and us giving half of it to him. The trouble is that Spurs have seemingly held this deal up by saying they will only pay the reduced fee AND expect us to make up the wage shortfall into the bargain. That's clearly taking the piss mate.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I am getting confused as to which is the RVP thread and which is the Adebayor thread

It tells you at the top of the page, mate.

 

[BillyShears]

The onus on the club is to abide by the terms of the contract and do what's in the best interests of City, not Adebayor.

Isn't this the crux of the argument though? The club, whether they play him or not, or bound by the terms of his contract. If he chooses to stay rather than leave and take a pay cut then he is well within his rights to do this and is not doing anything detrimental towards the club or the supporters.

There is no compulsion on the club to play him (save for FIFA regulations which can be readily negotiated) and it should do what is best for itself. He is handsomely rewarded for playing football so being "fair" to him doesn't enter into it, if the best interests of City are at stake.

That is what I'm interested in, not how well he feels he's been treated by us. You, me and the club will be still here long after he's gone. Why should I give a second's thought to the sentiments of his exit interview?

I am not entirely sure it is in City's best interests to hang on to a group of players for much longer than they need to simply to try and prove that they aren't a pushover in the transfer market. As I stated earlier, if the player wants away as in the Tevez case then I understand the need to dig our heels in, but when we have decided we no longer want the player and have already isolated them from the first team, it is very difficult to argue that we should be entitled to dictate entirely the terms upon which they leave. This is just my opinion and I do understand why others feel differently.

 

[The Future's Blue]

I think most can agree that Ade is worth 12-15 mil of anybody's money. We've worked a plan whereby Ade moves for 5-6 mil saving the buying club anywhere between 6-10 mil (between 30 and 50 grand a week) which will go to towards the rest of Ade's signing on fee/drop in wages.

What Spurs want is a cut-price player at 5 mil and then we also pay his wage meaning we let him go for free.

Is that how we should be doing business now, what happens to the next player who throws a tantrum, refuses to play or is merely surplus to requirements? Every team in the world would get the signal we are muppets.

Luckily, we've shown with Carlos that we can play hardball, now we have to do the same with Ade otherwise we'll just end up getting bent over everytime we have a problem with a player.

Fuck em, I say.

 

[dctid]

an injury prone 30 yr old RVP isnt worth 30-odd million.
if you give Ade away and pay 25m upwards to sign RVP then its stupid money, especially when he has virtually no contract left to buy out.

He will never ever be sold for 30 million no club will pay that - the 30 million price tag is merely a negogiating tactic by Le Arse - first rule of sales aim high - the higher they value him the higher the fee they will be able to get - if they set the bar at 15 million offers would be around 10 and he would be likely to go for 12 - 13 million plus add on

Reckon whoever buys him will get him for between 15 to 20 million with add ons lnked to appearances because of his injury record

 

[BillyShears]

But City are prepared to make sure Ade doesn't take a hit on the last 2 years of his contract if and when he gets sold in terms of either accepting a reduced transfer fee from Spurs who then make up the difference by paying Ade the difference or getting the full fee off Spurs and us giving half of it to him. The trouble is that Spurs have seemingly held this deal up by saying they will only pay the reduced fee AND expect us to make up the wage shortfall into the bargain. That's clearly taking the piss mate.

If this is the case and it is Spurs who are asking for both a reduced fee and that we make up his wages then they are indeed taking the piss. Unfortunately i believe this is a by product of making it plain to the world at large that certain players are no longer of any use to us and aren't even training with the first team. I said in the Adebayor thread but I believe for the sake of overall moral we should be moving on all the left overs from Hughes' shopping spree this summer regardless of what it ends up costing us.

 

[The Future's Blue]

If we get 5-6 mil and Spurs sort the rest then I'd say it's a decent deal for all parties, one that will go through.

Once gone we can see if we really are after RVP or if we need to move another striker on before putting in a bid.

 

[gilly69]

I'm not sure that this reading is entirely fair. In the case of a player who actively seeks a transfer away from the club as Carlos Tevez did, I agree that unless we get a deal which suits us, he should rot. But in the case of players such as Adebayor where the club decided within 12 months of signing them that they were surplus to requirements, the responsibility lies with us to pay the contract up to move the player on, when the contract we originally gave him is so prohibitively high that there's little chance of anyone else matching it. It is just my opinion, but Adebayor has done nothing wrong and nothing to warrant some of the things which are being said about him. He had a very good season with us, which included the awful incident during the ACON. The new gaffer decided he wanted to go in a different direction which is his prerogative. So the onus lies with the club to see players such as Adebayor right.

So why does he say money isn't important, playing football is. hes got the chance to play football but he is letting money stop this from happening. If Adebayor was truthful & said Im greedy & want the money it wouldnt be as bad n here but as he is blatantly lying then he deserves all the abuse he gets & a hell of a lot more to boot

I believe he has said openly that he will not leave City for less money than he is currently on. I don't see any lying involved there. I'm sure playing football is as important to him as my job is to me. But if my employer gave me a big contract then tried to move me on somewhere else without paying that contract up I would also dig my heels in and refuse to leave without a full settlement.

It's also worth remembering that outgoing negotiations are the same as incoming ones because they are ultimately about money. I wouldn't call any of the players we signed last summer greedy yet they are all probably earning more money at City than they would have done anywhere else. The Nasri negotiations are a good example of how players take as long as they possibly can to make sure they get the best deal they possibly can.

So what is this quote all about then??

But the fans turned against him, their ire building after a series of uncommitted displays. "Arsenal forced me out. Arsene told me: 'You have to leave because financially we are very bad.’ That makes it more painful. Arsene knows I didn’t leave for money. Enjoying my football is more important to me than money.

If enjoying football is more important than money why wont he sign for spurs?? Coz he is a lying greedy twit

 

[BillyShears]

So what is this quote all about then??

But the fans turned against him, their ire building after a series of uncommitted displays. "Arsenal forced me out. Arsene told me: 'You have to leave because financially we are very bad.’ That makes it more painful. Arsene knows I didn’t leave for money. Enjoying my football is more important to me than money.

If enjoying football is more important than money why wont he sign for spurs?? Coz he is a lying greedy twit

He wasn't asked to take a pay cut to leave Arsenal. The comment was seemingly aimed at the Arsenal supporters who said that he left solely because of the money on offer at City, which is the same thing they accused Nasri of.

 

[gilly69]

So what is this quote all about then??

But the fans turned against him, their ire building after a series of uncommitted displays. "Arsenal forced me out. Arsene told me: 'You have to leave because financially we are very bad.’ That makes it more painful. Arsene knows I didn’t leave for money. Enjoying my football is more important to me than money.

If enjoying football is more important than money why wont he sign for spurs?? Coz he is a lying greedy twit

He wasn't asked to take a pay cut to leave Arsenal. The comment was seemingly aimed at the Arsenal supporters who said that he left solely because of the money on offer at City, which is the same thing they accused Nasri of.

So he lied to arsenals fans then saying football is more important when clearly its not to him, money is the be all & end all. So he is a lying greedy twit