Rochester And Strood By-Election

[Len Rum]

It is a bit pedantic :-)

but if he puts it in the manifesto as a red line then he can't accept less can he? Either way, we have to do something and if the public think this is the right thing then they will vote for him.

Err...if it's a red line, then it's not a negotiation is it?
So why not do it now?
Instead we have to wait at least 2-3 years now before it get's sorted (if at all).
BBC have just done some quick research which suggests these measures may make little if any difference. A lot migrants actually weren't aware of these in work benefits and for many they come over to get a job and further a career because the choice in their own country is no job/career. Even if Cam get's his way (which is by no means certain) then the difference it makes to the migrant worker is that at worst they earn something like 3x their local salary rather than the current five.
Seriously after his 'no ifs,no buts' speech on immigration in 2010 does anyone believe him? This is just a panic reaction to UKIP which is not guaranteed to work. Ask yourself why hasn't he done this sooner? He could have and we could have even had the EU referendum by now had he been serious. It's all smoke and mirrors and delay to get him through the next election.

He can't do it now because the libdems won't support it. Even labour are proposing a watered down version of this. I suppose it will have to wait until after the election. It is obvious that Cameron wants to talk tough now because of UKIP but if he gets elected and the public don't like what he ends up getting back from the EU then we will vote to do one, at least we will finally have a say

Agreed he can't do it now, but he could after the election assuming he wins an overall majority.
So why doesn't he promise to do it following the election?
Answer - he can't because (according to him) it requires EU treaty change. so he's going to try to negotiate his terms as amendment to the treaty BUT he's stated that his terms represent a red line i.e. are not negotiable.
Hence his position is untenable as to why he won't implement these proposals after the election.

 

[Len Rum]

Is it my imagination or was Dave sporting a Movember 'tache at his speech today.

 

[mat]

Is it my imagination or was Dave sporting a Movember 'tache at his speech today.

It was a dirty sanchez from Murdoch.

 

[tommybooth]

Right wing boys we are here.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Can't believe this was the big pre-xmas speech from Dave that we were all waiting for. Shit attempt to win back ukip defectors with a bit of Farage-lite rhetoric.

 

[scotty123]

Right wing boys we are here.

Seems as though the whole of Europe is moving slightly to the Right, the normally placid Liberal minded Swiss people are having a referendum Today on whether to cut all immigration to 0.2% of the population per year, many Swiss have been alarmed that 23% of the total population are foreign nationals

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Right wing boys we are here.

Seems as though the whole of Europe is moving slightly to the Right, the normally placid Liberal minded Swiss people are having a referendum Today on whether to cut all immigration to 0.2% of the population per year, many Swiss have been alarmed that 23% of the total population are foreign nationals

Hmmmm.
Not too alarmed since nearly 75% voted against curbs on immigration.

 

[scotty123]

Right wing boys we are here.

Seems as though the whole of Europe is moving slightly to the Right, the normally placid Liberal minded Swiss people are having a referendum Today on whether to cut all immigration to 0.2% of the population per year, many Swiss have been alarmed that 23% of the total population are foreign nationals

Hmmmm.
Not too alarmed since nearly 75% voted against curbs on immigration.

That's what Democracy is for

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Seems as though the whole of Europe is moving slightly to the Right, the normally placid Liberal minded Swiss people are having a referendum Today on whether to cut all immigration to 0.2% of the population per year, many Swiss have been alarmed that 23% of the total population are foreign nationals

Hmmmm.
Not too alarmed since nearly 75% voted against curbs on immigration.

That's what Democracy is for

Indeed it is , and it puts to rest any preconception that "many Swiss have been alarmed"

 

[scotty123]

Hmmmm.
Not too alarmed since nearly 75% voted against curbs on immigration.

That's what Democracy is for

Indeed it is , and it puts to rest any preconception that "many Swiss have been alarmed"

Many Swiss have been alarmed, a quarter of them, but that's not as many as the other three quarters who havn't been alarmed, that's what I said, democracy in action, they have had their say end of matter