Rodrygo

richards30 said:
Agreed! Really would be a brilliant signing for us.
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Without taking his ability into consideration (and I'm not totally convinced by him), I don't think it's a position we need to add to at present with Doku, Savinho, Foden, Bobb, Marmoush, Grealish (though possibly leaving), Echeverri, McAtee all for attacking positions.

We have similar issues at CB with Dias, Gvardiol, Reis, Khusanov, Akanji, Ake, Stones and Bah for 2 positions.

The problem is that we already have too many players. IIRC Echeverri and Reis could not even be included in the CL squad this season. We then have Walker, Philipps and Bah returning from loans and so far only KDB leaving.

A lot need to leave if we wish to give Guardiola the small squad that he wants and that is without others then needing to leave to make room for incoming players. In reality we probably need 10+ to leave (sold or on loan) to bring in 3-4 players and outside of KdB, none of them are out of contract.

It's a bit of an unbalanced mess and it's going to need quite a lot of sorting out. Players can't just be sold/loaned against their will.

We just might not be able to create enough space in the squad for essential signings (CMs and FBs) without adding an attacking player like Rodrygo into the mix, especially when we already have sufficient players of a decent age profile for the position/s he plays.
 
If he comes here he'd have to deal with the fact Pep will play him anywhere he wants to and occasionally bench him.

Not sure he would take that with the offers around and his reason for moving (as well as the above straight up numbers issue).

Tempting for Hugo though i expect.
 
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PragueBlue said:
Without taking his ability into consideration (and I'm not totally convinced by him), I don't think it's a position we need to add to at present with Doku, Savinho, Foden, Bobb, Marmoush, Grealish (though possibly leaving), Echeverri, McAtee all for attacking positions.

We have similar issues at CB with Dias, Gvardiol, Reis, Khusanov, Akanji, Ake, Stones and Bah for 2 positions.

The problem is that we already have too many players. IIRC Echeverri and Reis could not even be included in the CL squad this season. We then have Walker, Philipps and Bah returning from loans and so far only KDB leaving.

A lot need to leave if we wish to give Guardiola the small squad that he wants and that is without others then needing to leave to make room for incoming players. In reality we probably need 10+ to leave (sold or on loan) to bring in 3-4 players and outside of KdB, none of them are out of contract.

It's a bit of an unbalanced mess and it's going to need quite a lot of sorting out. Players can't just be sold/loaned against their will.

We just might not be able to create enough space in the squad for essential signings (CMs and FBs) without adding an attacking player like Rodrygo into the mix, especially when we already have sufficient players of a decent age profile for the position/s he plays.
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I agree with a lot of this, but at the same time, I think a lot of this summer is about replacing, as you say, sufficiency with actual quality.
Across the pitch we actually have a sufficient number of players who CAN play and cover positions but in very few areas of the pitch do we have clear cut quality in every position and I think this is shown by the amount of team sheet changes we have seen this month (I know Pep is heavy on rotation anyway).

Agreed that shifting a large number of players is the thing to do, probably the most important part of the entire window. Replacing them with multi-skilled players who can cover different roles, giving Pep the tactical flexibility and smaller squad he desires, is going to be one hell of a task.

Honestly, I think there is a huge amount of unknowns for next season in terms of the players we're banking on (Foden, Bobb, Savinho, Khusanov etc) so personally, I'm accepting that the coming season might not give us the results we're hoping for.
Still, massively excited to see what happens and where we go from here!
 
Who knows whether any of Echeverri, Reis, Khusanov and even Bobb to some extent after his injuries will become good enough to help us win the title and CL.

That’s the standard we’ve set, and personally I don’t see Doku, McAtee or Savinho ever being that level.

Obviously KDB is gone. Probably Grealish too unfortunately. Gundo and Bernie were once world class but not anymore - need replacing with younger, more energetic midfielders.

We have a hell of rebuild in summer; Reijnders and Rodrygo would be upgrades. With Rodri back and Gonzalez settling and a better season from Foden that would be a decent midfield.

Apart from the desperate need for fullbacks, I think one of our biggest issues has been so little end product from the wings. Rodrygo would be a good signing.
 
strudelslol said:
I agree with a lot of this, but at the same time, I think a lot of this summer is about replacing, as you say, sufficiency with actual quality.
Across the pitch we actually have a sufficient number of players who CAN play and cover positions but in very few areas of the pitch do we have clear cut quality in every position and I think this is shown by the amount of team sheet changes we have seen this month (I know Pep is heavy on rotation anyway).

Agreed that shifting a large number of players is the thing to do, probably the most important part of the entire window. Replacing them with multi-skilled players who can cover different roles, giving Pep the tactical flexibility and smaller squad he desires, is going to be one hell of a task.

Honestly, I think there is a huge amount of unknowns for next season in terms of the players we're banking on (Foden, Bobb, Savinho, Khusanov etc) so personally, I'm accepting that the coming season might not give us the results we're hoping for.
Still, massively excited to see what happens and where we go from here!
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I agree. Quality over quantity but I feel that we have some quality in the attacking positions and most are of an age where they'll be wanting and needing games.

Where we really need help now, and for the future, is CM/AM with KdB gone, Bernardo, Kovaciv and Gundogan all past their best and FB, where we really don't have anybody except perhaps an aging Walker and Lewis who doesn't really seem a natural FB.

I just don't see Rodrygo as a need or even a sensible option unless we're moving on a fair few of the attacking/wide players I mentioned.
 
€80-100M in the stories, clearly no one knows what Madrid will ask for yet.
 
dealing with anything to do with madrid at the mo is a bit of a crapshoot , with ancellotti going and alonso coming in, he might be a big fan of rodrygo and want him to stay
 
I don’t see it with him maybe because he’s often out of position with Real but he doesn’t seem to be creative enough or score enough. Granted he’s probably not getting the game time in the position he wants.

I think he has had some of his best performances against us which has elevated his status amongst our supporters.
 
Gaz (FMwkdsoul) said:
If he comes here he'd have to deal with the fact Pep will play him anywhere he wants to and occasionally bench him.

Not sure he would take that with the offers around and his reason for moving (as well as the above straight up numbers issue).

Tempting for Hugo though i expect.
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He strikes me as one of those guys who's on the verge of exploding into a WC season once a Manager gives him the keys. Kinda like Raphina did this season. Abd i think he is far far superior to Raphina in my opinion

Everything about his play style suggests he is on the verge, Control, Shooting,Technique, Speed, Vision, contact balance, hard work, movement, defensive help, crossing etc at a minimum he does all of that at very well.

I really gope we can get him now that Wirrtz is off the table. I'd have him over Simon, Cherki etc
 
Dax777 said:
He strikes me as one of those guys who's on the verge of exploding into a WC season once a Manager gives him the keys. Kinda like Raphina did this season. Abd i think he is far far superior to Raphina in my opinion

Everything about his play style suggests he is on the verge, Control, Shooting,Technique, Speed, Vision, contact balance, hard work, movement, defensive help, crossing etc at a minimum he does all of that at very well.

I really gope we can get him now that Wirrtz is off the table. I'd have him over Simon, Cherki etc
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would take him at RW and yard Doku if i could but dont see it. Doubt we get Simons or Cherki either.

Savio/Omar - LW
Foden/Rodr - RW

any of the three (not Savio) gets to play the #10 behind Haaland as and when. Needs better full backs as well for this idea though.
 
Gaz (FMwkdsoul) said:
would take him at RW and yard Doku if i could but dont see it. Doubt we get Simons or Cherki either.

Savio/Omar - LW
Foden/Rodr - RW

any of the three (not Savio) gets to play the #10 behind Haaland as and when. Needs better full backs as well for this idea though.
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Doku would have to go. Which i don't like. and Rodrygo wants to play left wide.
Rodrygo/ Savio
Omar/Foden
 
Dax777 said:
Doku would have to go. Which i don't like. and Rodrygo wants to play left wide.
Rodrygo/ Savio
Omar/Foden
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yeah the wide left makes me think we wont bother. Omar is far better off that side, haven't been impressed with him off the right at any point, if we could convince Rod to take a "just line up, press and roam no matter the side" its a hell of threat.

Slim chance as it stands till something breaks storywise
 
Dax777 said:
Doku would have to go. Which i don't like. and Rodrygo wants to play left wide.
Rodrygo/ Savio
Omar/Foden
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I suppose it entirely depends on the system we deploy too, right?

If we do end up going with this inside-forward with wide wing-backs system, whichever 2 inside-forwards play could be quite fluid and interchangeable, meaning Rodrygo could quite happily "play off the left".
 
richards30 said:
80M euros is the fee it seems! Surely we have to be there for that?!
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Cost less than Grealish it’s a steal.
Doku isn’t compatible with Haaland - 3 assists in 2 years. Best dribbler but little end product not much chemistry with the team. Maybe new signings crash the box who knows.
Savio is younger but he’s regressed and hasn’t had that many good games at RW. His shooting is worse than any winger we’ve ever had. He will come good in 2-3 seasons
Bobb broke his leg. Them immediately got a hamstring injury. We have no idea if he can stay fit.

It would be nice to have a reliable forward that can get into the box, create and show up when you need them.
 
uwe rosler 28 said:
6 goals and 5 assists in 30 appearances for Real Madrid in a dog shit league. Probably cost 100m and take up 400k a week in wages it's a massive no from me. And if he's that good why do Madrid want him out?
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Then by those standards Foden has been horrid too ? I’ve listened to Madrid fans because there’s no reason to listen to people who barely watch him.

They say he is great and has more ability that most wingers
But he has short spans of great form he’s never like a superstar for the whole season
He runs, he creates, he scores but they feel he deserves to be the main man somewhere else.
He’s actually better used centrally as a 10 with freedom to go to LW.
He wants wages of Vini and Jude but he’s not as good as them.
Some people think he should stop complaining about played out of position cuz he’s been RW for more than 4 years.
He never gets fully appreciated. But he just needs serious consistency to be in that Vini Salah bracket
 
strudelslol said:
I suppose it entirely depends on the system we deploy too, right?

If we do end up going with this inside-forward with wide wing-backs system, whichever 2 inside-forwards play could be quite fluid and interchangeable, meaning Rodrygo could quite happily "play off the left".
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The system we play now works for him.
If we play 4-2-2-2. High fullbacks push inside forwards close to Marmoush x Haaland.
 
BluestBlue said:
The system we play now works for him.
If we play 4-2-2-2. High fullbacks push inside forwards close to Marmoush x Haaland.
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Yeh exactly. He'll be occupying the spaces he likes. I'm all for him joining, don't see it happening, but I'd be very happy if it did.
 
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