Roll call for 9 minute protest

[Oyster28catcher]

If theres that much wrong with the Club why the fuck do you support them. ?
By the way it isn`t City who are censuring City fans for tragedy chanting its now an illegal act.

And not just an illegal one, it is disgusting for tragedy chants. It's 2025 and the sound of Munich still appears, from many younger fans. They all need their heads wobbling. Not on.

 

[fathellensbellend]

Hopefully the protest has helped City Matters fans reps to make progress. It was a great show of strength of feeling on Wednesday night. Credit to the organisers and everyone who took part.

Just a couple of other observations based on reading posts on here and X yesterday. Some of the Blues calling for another protest straightaway weren’t able to change their plans to go to the game and protest on Wednesday. Each to their own but I think we need to get the gist of what happened at City Matters (NDAs or not) first.

A young City fan was racially abused on X yesterday by a “regular legacy fan”. If the perpetrator come on here, just call them a FKW like you would if the target wasn’t Asian.

Affordable football for all City fans regardless of where they are from, it could be argued that the club have no issue in exploiting overseas fans with ludicrous prices, and prioritising them because they pay more and spend more. It's brilliant people want to come and watch City from everywhere, but also treat those the same as local fans, with regard to cost and priority. I would sooner see City's turnover drop by 10 million or whatever and have stands full of Blues local and global who can all afford and want to be part of the City family, but the most important thing is, is that they are actually Blues and not Irish Liverpool fans etc

 

[TheGhost]

And not just an illegal one, it is disgusting for tragedy chants. It's 2025 and the sound of Munich still appears, from many younger fans. They all need their heads wobbling. Not on.

Younger fans? In my experience it’s older ones who haven’t let it go that are the problem.

And let’s be honest it’s a very tiny barely audible minority. Also when it is actually referenced in very few songs, and the songs aren’t actually about the disaster, it’s a moniker used for the rags.

To clarify I don’t sing them or use the term.

 

[CΛL]

They are indirectly. The owner appoints the CEO, Chairman and officials.

City fans are unhappy , not with Pep / team, but what point is a successful team if you cannot support them?

How you define your protest matters. It's not simply enough to protest. Take unemployment or any social problem, there's usually a range of responses. Perhaps City fans will win here but we'd be better off if we drop this hierarchy of City fandom. City's fanbase has grown massively beyond the traditional group and this is a positive. This is in danger of being chocked off by a media onslaught that has identified City with cheating, and also by the lack of understanding in our own fanbase of who is supporting City. Many traditional fans see tourists everywhere and blame them for the lack of atmosphere, the availability of seats etc. Tourists exist but there's also a large number of fans coming to City who have just started coming, and they won't for much longer if this 'core fans' vs tourist argument is sustained. It's also true that the demographics of football is changing. Many of the Londo clubs now are completely gentrified. It's starting to happen here too. But is that a problem. It's not true that only working class youth can create an atmosphere. See clubs in Switzerland or Germany. Atmosphere is a state of mind.

You’ve no idea what you’re on about

 

[CΛL]

Younger fans? In my experience it’s older ones who haven’t let it go that are the problem.

And let’s be honest it’s a very tiny minority barely audible minority. Also when it is actually referenced in very few songs, and the songs aren’t actually about the disaster, it’s a moniker used for the rags.

To clarify I don’t sing them or use the term.

Shame the Zabba song is sullied with it but tragedy chanting has fuck all to do with any of this

 

[Dogtanian]

How has a tweet that some absolute **** put on twitter took over this thread, fucking Division is what they want in fanbases, I presume this girl never felt threatened coming to the game or at the game itself and every game I see different nationalities mingling freely yet twitter now sees our place as some fucking KKK loving far right redneck hotbed

 

[Oyster28catcher]

Back to the protests. It'll be good to know an outcome aooner rather than later. From that, the next step will be born.

Hopefully, no need for such things.

 

[hallsteve62]

Shame the Zabba song is sullied with it but tragedy chanting has fuck all to do with any of this

I though the bit after Japp Stam was 'who's he?' as opposed to the M word.

 

[CΛL]

I though the bit after Japp Stam was 'who's he?' as opposed to the M word.

only hear Munich where I sit, from the minority

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

How has a tweet that some absolute **** put on twitter took over this thread, fucking Division is what they want in fanbases, I presume this girl never felt threatened coming to the game or at the game itself and every game I see different nationalities mingling freely yet twitter now sees our place as some fucking KKK loving far right redneck hotbed

The problem is that its people using the word 'tourist' pejoratively which is causing the division. I've made the point before that it diverts attention from prices. It's also causing problems with non-white, Mancunian, City fans.

Yet again, City Matters' Mohammed Ullah, a born-and-bred Mancunian and regular Etihad attendee, was abused as a "tourist" on Wednesday and this was in the Tunnel Club FFS.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Can we leave all the racism bullshit off this thread.

There is absolutely no link whatsoever between racism and the protest.

Again, it’s a poor attempt at demonising fans’ very proportionate grievances towards the club’s ticketing policy.

Spot on.

Every protest is bedevilled with noises off and whataboutery and I mean every protest, from hundreds of thousands marching over something or other through Whitehall , to the Parish Council complaining about litter.

No matter how big or small, all protests represent a conflict between those with power and those without and most of them fail because of that disparity, but not all. Those that succeed keep their eyes on the prize and exploit those areas where the powerful are vulnerable.

This protest is bad PR for the club, and despite City's PR being generally terrible the club will no doubt be embarrassed by this show of dissent, but they'll not be too fussed, they know they can ride out a one off event. To counter their complacency the protests need to be constant and relentless, while at the same time avoiding fatigue and the danger of falling fowl of the law of diminishing returns, otherwise the club will simply wait for the news cycle to wash over it. The 1894 group are at the core of this and they need to work out a strategy, an identifiable list of demands and establish what success might look like.

This is all a pain in the arse and the chances of success are not great, but Khaldoon clearly takes pride in the idea that the Sheikh is a benevolent custodian of the club, that's the club's strength, but it's also its weakness, because despite being capable and ambitious owners and our senior management being top notch professionals in running a company in the football entertainment industry, they don't have a Scooby Doo about running a northern English football club with a history that goes back to 1880, how could they?

Not to labour the point, but this is a picture of Abu Dhabi in 1962...

They've come a long way in a short time and they are a proud, dynamic and honourable people, Khaldoon is a great chairman and the Sheikh a great owner, but they have no idea what it is to love City as we do, how inextricably woven into our lives it is, how the club is an essential part of us and the City of Manchester, how could they feel that? They might just as well own a football club on Mars.

As for Ferran Soriano? A very capable executive, but as far as understanding the soul of the club? I don't know about.....

He's more...

 

[Dogtanian]

The problem is that its people using the word 'tourist' pejoratively which is causing the division. I've made the point before that it diverts attention from prices. It's also causing problems with non-white, Mancunian, City fans.

Yet again, City Matters' Mohammed Ullah, a born-and-bred Mancunian and regular Etihad attendee, was abused as a "tourist" on Wednesday and this was in the Tunnel Club FFS.

Well you will always get bellends regardless of them being toffs in the tunnel club, I think you are right, the tourists are the ones who come to the game with absolutely no love for any of the clubs playing like the fella who turned up with the shopping bag from the swamp, everyone else regardless of where they come from should be referred to equally as a supporter and I've probably been as guilty as others for banding the word tourist out unnecessarily, again probably because as you get close to being priced out you know they will replace you and get resentment but that's on me and I should do better

 

[M18CTID]

I though the bit after Japp Stam was 'who's he?' as opposed to the M word.

Me too. That's what I always sing. And I've been singing that ever since the night I was there when it first caught on in the Schiller Sports Cafe in Munich in 2013!

 

[Marvin.]

Affordable football for all City fans regardless of where they are from, it could be argued that the club have no issue in exploiting overseas fans with ludicrous prices, and prioritising them because they pay more and spend more. It's brilliant people want to come and watch City from everywhere, but also treat those the same as local fans, with regard to cost and priority. I would sooner see City's turnover drop by 10 million or whatever and have stands full of Blues local and global who can all afford and want to be part of the City family, but the most important thing is, is that they are actually Blues and not Irish Liverpool fans etc

I see City fans from abroad, particularly from America being interviewed by Cheesy, but these are really committed blues. Technically they are tourists, but they are not football tourists. They have come half way around the world to maybe catch 1-2 games a season.

What annoys me is that on a CL night, when half the seasoncard holders don't show, a lot of local young Mancunians come to the game, and many are asian/black and they speak foreign languages and wear half and half scarfs and some people think they are tourists or casual fans. Perhaps some are less committed than a seasoncard holder of 30 years, but we were once them. And what do people want, empty seats? We will have a 62k stadium to fill. Once City's hard core was 30k.

 

[mexico1970]

Me too. That's what I always sing. And I've been singing that ever since the night I was there when it first caught on the Schiller Sports Cafe in Munich in 2013!

The Yanks have stand up jokes about the Twin Towers unbelievably but we are still somehow restrained from even whispering that these rags have monetised Munich.

Don't like a word that describes you perfectly? Shame people from using it or better still give them a criminal record.

BTW laughing at people dying is never a good look but that's what it should be, never a good look.

 

[pride in battle]

The problem is that its people using the word 'tourist' pejoratively which is causing the division. I've made the point before that it diverts attention from prices. It's also causing problems with non-white, Mancunian, City fans.

Yet again, City Matters' Mohammed Ullah, a born-and-bred Mancunian and regular Etihad attendee, was abused as a "tourist" on Wednesday and this was in the Tunnel Club FFS.

Fans have whipped this shit up regarding so called 'tourists' and are to blame, disgusting.

 

[mexico1970]

Fans have whipped this shit up regarding so called 'tourists' and are to blame, disgusting.

Tourists are tourists

When you jump up and down in a seat in the home end when our opponents score you're a tourist.

It's dead easy but some people just can't stop themselves.

 

[BlossomBlue]

The problem is that its people using the word 'tourist' pejoratively which is causing the division. I've made the point before that it diverts attention from prices. It's also causing problems with non-white, Mancunian, City fans.

Yet again, City Matters' Mohammed Ullah, a born-and-bred Mancunian and regular Etihad attendee, was abused as a "tourist" on Wednesday and this was in the Tunnel Club FFS.

If someone in tunnel club gets labelled as a tourist, I would assume that was because they were in the tunnel club paying a few hundred quid for a fancy meal and a padded seat. you seem to have assumed it's because of the colour of his skin or his faith. do you associate the word tourist with all non-white City fans?

 

[Manchester33]

The problem is that its people using the word 'tourist' pejoratively which is causing the division. I've made the point before that it diverts attention from prices. It's also causing problems with non-white, Mancunian, City fans.

Yet again, City Matters' Mohammed Ullah, a born-and-bred Mancunian and regular Etihad attendee, was abused as a "tourist" on Wednesday and this was in the Tunnel Club FFS.

I organised a singing section for the game on Weds. 100+ City fans in SSL3. We have a few people of different nationalities who all had a great time. No one was abused or called a tourist.

I stand with a good mate in 115 normally. He's an Indian lad who's moved to Manchester to become a Dr. Everyone loves him round me and he's never had any issues.

I suspect that more of this hostility happens in areas of the ground where the effects of the club's ticketing policy is more prevalent.

For example, a few weeks ago, the Tunnel Club was full of people celebrating Real Madrid's goals. It's absolutely not right that people like Mohammed are getting called a tourist, that's why we need the protests and uproar to coerce the club into doing the right thing (which would prevent it).

My point is that the sentiment you're describing doesn't come from the fans. We are absolutely not a racist fanbase (collectively). The club have created this toxic environment via their ticketing policy.

 

[Manchester33]

Fans have whipped this shit up regarding so called 'tourists' and are to blame, disgusting.

Nonsense... the club are to blame. The vast majority of fans are happy that City have worldwide support.

What City fans want is for the club to stop pricing us out (yes, US, including our fans from all over the world who are impacted by the club's ticketing policies).