Rony Lopes

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mosssideblue said:
Isn't the point hough that Rony (and any other youth player), doesn't have to convince the match going fan that he is good enough but the professional coaches. Clearly, they (and I use they, as I don't believe it is just Pellers) are making their decision based on what they see day in/day out.

I don't believe Sterling is your run of the mill 20 year old, he is a special talent and probably got his break by convincing others of this.

At this point in time, our young players havn't given sufficient evidence to suggest they are ready IMO
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I am not saying that it is wrong I was just commenting on LC's comparison v Sterling, and the key difference being that Sterling got more game time. I agree it's always going to be harder to get game time at a club like City (although I think we could do a bit more this season, such as league cup, using 1 of the 7 substitute spots for a young player more frequently etc)
 
Forzacitizens said:
It's a shame mate I thought he was one of our real prospects
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He was. So is Denayer.

People on Bluemoon never understood that we spent 5 years buying the best young players in the world who don't give a shit about hanging around the bench, and will walk out as soon as it becomes clear that Pellegrini hasn't the bottle to play them.

Rekik and Lopes are not the first and won't be the last. Our "youth policy" is the laughing stock of the country
 
Decent to get the fee for him, I didn't rate him as much as people on here did.

We do need to start to give players a chance though, a real chance. Hopefully it's just a case of us only just now recruiting the very best youngsters from around the world so it will come to fruition in the next few years
 
Damocles said:
He was. So is Denayer.

People on Bluemoon never understood that we spent 5 years buying the best young players in the world who don't give a shit about hanging around the bench, and will walk out as soon as it becomes clear that Pellegrini hasn't the bottle to play them.

Rekik and Lopes are not the first and won't be the last. Our "youth policy" is the laughing stock of the country
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People also on Bluemoon never understand also that to break into the firs team there is a minimum standard. Maybe our academy has not yet got anyone at that standard. All those who will come back and some of these kids are, are not as qualified to make that call as our coaching staff.

As for being a laughing stock of the country - really! there are many young kids in the world who would give anything to receive the coaching we would give them.

I get this perception that many think anyone coming through our academy is a shoe in into the first team. Why are you so sure it is Pellers who doesn't have the bottle rather than PV or others saying these guys arn't yet ready?
 
Damocles said:
He was. So is Denayer.

People on Bluemoon never understood that we spent 5 years buying the best young players in the world who don't give a shit about hanging around the bench, and will walk out as soon as it becomes clear that Pellegrini hasn't the bottle to play them.

Rekik and Lopes are not the first and won't be the last. Our "youth policy" is the laughing stock of the country
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To be honest if we keep getting £9m for our decent youth players and keep buying world class players like Otamendi, Sterling and De Bruyne, I'm not complaining.
 
BigOscar said:
Aye, one quiet game (by far not the worst player either) and it's time to throw him in the sea. Luckily none of our senior players have ever had a quiet game. Scott Sinclair got more chances ffs and he never did anything even approaching average
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didn't say throw him into the sea, thats your words not mine, i was responding to a prevoius poster who claimed he was(can't remember the exact words) ripping up trees
its all mute in his case
 
mosssideblue said:
People also on Bluemoon never understand also that to break into the firs team there is a minimum standard. Maybe our academy has not yet got anyone at that standard. All those who will come back and some of these kids are, are not as qualified to make that call as our coaching staff.

As for being a laughing stock of the country - really! there are many young kids in the world who would give anything to receive the coaching we would give them.

I get this perception that many think anyone coming through our academy is a shoe in into the first team. Why are you so sure it is Pellers who doesn't have the bottle rather than PV or others saying these guys arn't yet ready?
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Scouting coaching and selling them on for a fee is a good thing if they are not going to make the grade, Chelsea turn over decent amounts of money doing it that way. There is a bench mark to be reached for the first team, if you want to play you listen to what's said and improve your game.

The debate of lack of English players in the premier league comes up because of the need to buy instant off the shelf talent. If your a promising young player you put in the hard yards, listen to the coaches and look after your body whether your English,Spanish, German or from Mars. A lot don't have that mentality unfortunalty they think they've made it when they get their first contract.
 
Even at clubs where they give young players a chance not many come through that haven't been bought. Stones was from Barnsley for example. Young players need to be of the highest quality to play for us. They clearly felt Lopes wasn't. Hopefully some of our U16s are.
 
Damocles said:
He was. So is Denayer.

People on Bluemoon never understood that we spent 5 years buying the best young players in the world who don't give a shit about hanging around the bench, and will walk out as soon as it becomes clear that Pellegrini hasn't the bottle to play them.

Rekik and Lopes are not the first and won't be the last. Our "youth policy" is the laughing stock of the country
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According to the soccer Saturday boys.
 
I think the narrative going into the season is important. This summer, the narrative was that the previous season was so bad, we couldn't compromise in any way with the first team, and as such couldn't even take the risk of having Denayer in the squad, so have signed a top defender in his place. Similarly with Lopes, we have decided to pursue the Bundesliga player of the year, as he is deemed necessary to close what was a wide gap on Chelsea. Fortunately a move to 1 striker sees Iheanacho included it looks like.

However, had we come off the back of a double winning season, the narrative and perception would have been that it would have been ok to consolidate with our excellent squad, not needing to sign top players to improve the first team (as was the case both times we won the league) - these youth products would then have been adequate.

In fact, I'll go as far to say that if Lopes went back in time, and this was July 2012, he would have been promoted and we wouldn't have signed Scott Sinclair.

Unfortunately the previous season hasn't permitted time and allowances to these 3 promoted youngsters, hopefully this year will be so good that next season we can have more confidence in integrating young players, such as Denayer, Roberts, Fofana maybe even.
 
How many of these best young players in the world have left us and become world beaters?
I'm struggling.
 
Well this will test anonymous credentials. ....reckons lopes is signing a new contract then going on loan so not a sale!
 
What folk like Damocles seem to forget when they proclaim the CFA is a 'laughing stock' is, Lopes joined City at what 15-16? Enjoyed fantastic facilities, facilities of which since have greatly improved made the first team squad on a few occassions, even started a cup semi. Earned a nice move to the top flight in France on loan and then on the back of that a reported £8/£9 million move to Monaco, all before he's 20. That sort of career from 15-19 sounds about as good as you can have to me, especially as I doubt Lopes is a City fan. Yes, it doesn't look like he's made the grade with us, but he's set for life and he's not 20 yet. I'm assuming he's signed a decent contract in Monaco so that should take him to 24/25.

Denayer is 20 with a very good 5 year deal at City. Learning off World class players and I assume playing with his national team captain is a dream. He's not 21 till next June, and looks set for a very good loan move. At worst he will earn a big transfer away from City at best a long career at City.

What Damocles et al forget, these young lads are not City fans, the are young lads who's goal is to become a professional footballer. I'm sure they'd love to play for City, but I'm also sure they'll be happy to use City's CFA to get them as far as possible in the game.

So as long as the CFA is seeing 'graduates' making multi million pound moves to top flight clubs, young kids will see how good the CFA is for your career.
If we are producing 3,4,5 players of the level of Lopes every couple of years then we're doing a fantastic job. If one in 20 academy 'stars' make it to the first team, the other 19 get good moves to top flight football, that to me is successful.

Most of these young lads don't dream of playing for City, they dream of playing football at the highest level. City are offering that opportunity.

As the power that be have said, it could take a good few years before we see real fruit from the CFA.

People get called flappers with regards to results, transfers transfer fees. Is it not 'flapping' if you call the CFA a 'laughing stock' because the first few half decent youth to come out of it haven't made it with City? We are all pretty much agree that Lopes & Denayer are the only ones from the CFA that are anywhere near close to the standard required, yet Lopes is sold, and we've failed.

If a £8 million move to Monaco is evidence of a waste of time, and Denayer getting a 5 year deal is the evidence, I'm sure we are doing something right.

To consider the CFA a laughing stock this early is perhaps the biggest case of 'flapping' this site has ever seen.

Give it a couple of years will you.
 
Navas is 29, Nasri 28, Silva 29.

He could easily break through when he is 22/23, surprising he doesn't want to sign a new contract and hang about, with a couple of good loans under his belt.
 
Yeah ^ If he's right on that then fair enough. I will actually believe there's sumat there cos thats a big, big call.
 
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