Rony Lopes

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Neville Kneville said:
Oh please just sod off with that crap ffs. I absolutely fucking refuse to have peope start putting me in that catagory & will not sit here & accept it, so all my posts becone tarred with that fucking shite. Enough.

I think Pellegrini is the best manager we've ever had & he pisses on Mancini etc

And so far, he is utter shite with bringing through kids etc. The two have no connection.

Stop it.
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Or maybe he is realistic based on a career in football at the top level.
 
He's doing what he considers best and I for one agree with him. I'd send all our most promising youngsters on loan for a year or two and see if they can prove themselves there before trying to integrate them into the first team. There seems a ridiculous rush to get 18/19 year olds into the squad/team and I'm not sure why that is. I personally couldn't care less if a player came through the academy or we bought him.
 
I don't understand the absolute necessity to get the academy breakthrough right now, it is clearly a long term ambition. Kaldoon was clear that we wanted to promote young talent but not at the expense of the success of the first team. That seems exactly right to me. I also think that we have to trust that MP and the DOF discuss these things regularly it is surely part of their role. The young lads will be introduced when and if the time is right not to lose a game or batter their confidence , only their day to day managers are in a place to make that call and even then a mistake my happen. When the time is right they will play.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Yeah because no other managers have ever been able to do it, so he is just following tradition. When has anyone ever heard of clubs bringing players through & winning stuff ? Of course that's it, he's basing it on a career in football.
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How many at the very top of Premier league have brought academy players through? (Except the class of 92).
 
Clevers said:
How many at the very top of Premier league have brought academy players through? (Except the class of 92).
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Pretty much all of them, a lot, although the method is often to sign/steal them from others academies first. But they all do it bar us & Chelsea. Iheancho might be our first since the takeover but he's barely been an academy player.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Pretty much all of them, a lot, although the method is often to sign/steal them from others academies first. But they all do it bar us & Chelsea. Iheancho might be our first since the takeover but he's barely been an academy player.
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Even though I agree he won't be an academy player, it is nice that Iheanacho has actually played, and contributed, a fair bit in the u18s & EDS before being used in the first team.
 
Have any more details emerged regarding this deal? Is there a sell-on clause? Buy-back clause etc.?
 
  1. City Watch ‏@City_Watch 36s37 seconds ago
  2. City Watch retweeted LOSC

    Rony Lopes has returned to Lille on loan after his move to Monaco from City.

    City Watch added,

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    LOSC @Iosclive
    [OFFICIEL] @Rony10Lopes est à nouveau prêté au #LOSC pour une saison par @AS_Monaco http://bit.ly/1rHzc6U
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The thing is that, if he now has a good season at Lille, he'll go back and walk into Monaco's starting 11. Whereas, if he was coming back to us, he'd most likely still struggle to make the bench.

I'm a fan of his and am still disappointed that he's gone but it's best for his career.

When Patrick Viera becomes a first team manager, I can see Lopes jumping at the opportunity to work with him again.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
  1. City Watch ‏@City_Watch 36s37 seconds ago
  2. City Watch retweeted LOSC

    Rony Lopes has returned to Lille on loan after his move to Monaco from City.

    City Watch added,

    CNvZjJpWcAAEHiF.png

    LOSC @Iosclive
    [OFFICIEL] @Rony10Lopes est à nouveau prêté au #LOSC pour une saison par @AS_Monaco http://bit.ly/1rHzc6U
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So Monaco don't believe Lopes is ready to be trusted with regular game time for them in Ligue 1 and want him to develop with regular game time at another club instead. An option you'd suspect City would have been willing to take up as well, if Lopes had been inclined to sign a new deal. Perhaps people might actually cut the club a little slack on this one. Are we really saying Lopes needed to be tested with first team games in the Premier League at City when Monaco don't feel he's ready to be tested with first team games in Ligue 1 with them?
 
Matty said:
So Monaco don't believe Lopes is ready to be trusted with regular game time for them in Ligue 1 and want him to develop with regular game time at another club instead. An option you'd suspect City would have been willing to take up as well, if Lopes had been inclined to sign a new deal. Perhaps people might actually cut the club a little slack on this one. Are we really saying Lopes needed to be tested with first team games in the Premier League at City when Monaco don't feel he's ready to be tested with first team games in Ligue 1 with them?
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Click the link. Says he's been loaned by City. Probably a fake account.
 
Matty said:
So Monaco don't believe Lopes is ready to be trusted with regular game time for them in Ligue 1 and want him to develop with regular game time at another club instead. An option you'd suspect City would have been willing to take up as well, if Lopes had been inclined to sign a new deal. Perhaps people might actually cut the club a little slack on this one. Are we really saying Lopes needed to be tested with first team games in the Premier League at City when Monaco don't feel he's ready to be tested with first team games in Ligue 1 with them?
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And if instead, he takes the place of the guy Utd just paid 36 million for & perfoms as well or better ?
 
Neville Kneville said:
And if instead, he takes the place of the guy Utd just paid 36 million for & perfoms as well or better ?
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Firstly my post was based on the article that stated he'd been loaned to Lille from Monaco, so your scenario wouldn't be a possibility (although it now seems the article is from when City loaned him to Lille, not a new one, but as it's in French I didn't know that, especially as the accompanying tweet clearly stated, in English, it was a loan from Monaco). Secondly, even if he does stay at Monaco, and replace Martial in the side, does that mean he'd be good enough to have stayed at City, and replace one of our first team squad? I'm sure he'll end up playing regular first team football for someone throughout his career, however unless that someone is of a comparable level to where City are, it'll never be proof he would have made the grade at City.
 
Matty said:
Firstly my post was based on the article that stated he'd been loaned to Lille from Monaco, so your scenario wouldn't be a possibility (although it now seems the article is from when City loaned him to Lille, not a new one, but as it's in French I didn't know that, especially as the accompanying tweet clearly stated, in English, it was a loan from Monaco). Secondly, even if he does stay at Monaco, and replace Martial in the side, does that mean he'd be good enough to have stayed at City, and replace one of our first team squad? I'm sure he'll end up playing regular first team football for someone throughout his career, however unless that someone is of a comparable level to where City are, it'll never be proof he would have made the grade at City.
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So basically no matter what happens you are right.
 
Neville Kneville said:
So basically no matter what happens you are right.
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No, if he rocks up at one of Europe's top sides and is playing regularly then City have made an error, as he'd clearly be able to do the same for us. However if he's playing regularly for a lower level side then that doesn't prove his abilities would be good enough to play for City. Pretty simply really.
 
Matty said:
No, if he rocks up at one of Europe's top sides and is playing regularly then City have made an error, as he'd clearly be able to do the same for us. However if he's playing regularly for a lower level side then that doesn't prove his abilities would be good enough to play for City. Pretty simply really.
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It's simpler for me. If he has a buyback clause (which I'm hopeful is the case especially due to his tweet re City after leaving) then it's disappointing but ok. If he doesn't, it is a catastrophically fucking stupid, EdWoodward/ De Gea level fuckup as he is potentially worth a fortune & we should have got him signed up before he went to Lille.
 
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