Rony Lopes

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without a dream said:
Sterling had played over 100 top flight games. Varane played 24 games for Lens. The better comparison would be to Denayer who we're currently trying to farm out. Again.

If people can't accept that City are bad at this then they're deluding themselves, we run the risk of losing some incredibly talented players if we can't convince them there's a path.
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Deluded? Name me a City youth player to go on and be a world beater?
 
Carvajal and Varane were both bought. Do not count. I'll give you Jese Rodriguez but I bet you he didn't demand regular games at 19 like Lopes.
Lopes had 1 year left on his deal and wasn't willing to sign a new deal or bide his time so we had little option. £7-9m is good business.

Chelsea haven't brought a youth team player through to play regular games this millennium.
 
BadApple said:
Jese Rodriquez is 22 and has still only played 36 times and is yet to get an international call up & Verane was bought from Lens.

If you having them two I'm having Sterling.
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Eh ? Verane started at Real Madrid when he was about 18 after playing about 20 odd games for Lens. He was way behind where Denayer is now in experience & age. (We did sign Lopes & Denayer you know ?)

And you have just said yourself that Jese has played a load of games for Real Madrid already. He started in La Liga in 2011.

Real are one of the absolute worst for this, love to spunk money & are still way ahead of us.
 
Can't we just throw a buy back clause on him like Barca always do, that way if he looks like becoming a world beater at Monaco we can bring him back.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Can't we just throw a buy back clause on him like Barca always do, that way if he looks like becoming a world beater at Monaco we can bring him back.
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I don't think there would be any buy back clause, probably that's why Monaco is willing to pay 7.5m.
 
BadApple said:
Deluded? Name my a City youth player to go on and be a world beater?
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Not sure where I've said that...

I said we run the risk. Take Denis Suarez as an example, he played 30 odd games for Sevilla last year, the kids we have now are significantly better than he was at the same age. If we don't start giving them a chance then they're rapidly going to get disillusioned and we might be missing out on some top talent.

If you can get 4 club trained players actually good enough to hold their own that's invaluable in the CL and it seems like we're not even trying.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Eh ? Verane started at Real Madrid when he was about 18 after playing about 20 odd games for Lens. He was way behind where Denayer is now in experience & age. (We did sign Lopes & Denayer you know ?)

And you have just said yourself that Jese has played a load of games for Real Madrid already. He started in La Liga in 2011.

Real are one of the absolute worst for this, love to spunm money & are still way ahead of us.
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So he started in La Liga in 2011 and has only played 36 times.

My point is most of the big clubs don't give youth a chance except the Bayern/Barca.
 
tonea2003 said:
you've just described lopes
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No I haven't.

Normally after his excellent performance in the Cup Semi final, with 2 assists & everyone thinking he looked great a club would start to try & use the kid more & more. When have you seen Rony since ?

Surely you can't tell me Rony did something in that game which meant he was proven not to be good enough to ever play for City again ?
 
I am gutted the same will happen with Garcia as well. Silva will be getting older and you would think Garcia will get some meaningful minutes, but then we will end up buying some hot midfield property, and after that another one to kill any chances of youngster getting any minutes. Nacho wont get minutes unless Aguero gets injured then he might get 3 minutes at the end of blowout replacing Bony(of course 3:0 is not considered blowout), then he will be fucked off never to be seen again, that is if we dont buy several forwards by then anyway.

We have had 3 games that we have won almost 3 to nothing on average, yet not a single minute for any youngster because Pellegrini wants to please all our senior players. I am not saying its bad or good, but our youngsters wont get run in this system thats for sure. We are terrible at bringing in our prospects.

Of course our new fans doesnt help either. Look at everyone crying that we are not getting Pogba, KDB etc. Almost no one on this board has patience anymore, they just wanna buy, buy, buy, win, win, win and then we cry that no youngsters get chance, seriously come on.
 
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without a dream said:
Not sure where I've said that...

I said we run the risk. Take Denis Suarez as an example, he played 30 odd games for Sevilla last year, the kids we have now are significantly better than he was at the same age. If we don't start giving them a chance then they're rapidly going to get disillusioned and we might be missing out on some top talent.

If you can get 4 club trained players actually good enough to hold their own that's invaluable in the CL and it seems like we're not even trying.
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Suarez has been binned off by Sevilla and will be farmed out to Villareal..

In retrospect the 7-10m we got for him is looking like good business.
 
BadApple said:
So he started in La Liga in 2011 and has only played 36 times.

My point is most of the big clubs don't give youth a chance except the Bayern/Barca.
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But I've proven that even Real Madrid do.

Chelsea, City & PSG don't, because they prefer not to. Real Madrid are poor at it but still do it. Everyone else uses kids in the squad pretty much all the time, including the two best clubs in recent years.

Your argument which if you remember started with a suggestion by you that only second rate non winning clubs do it, has been absolutely shot to pieces.
 
kun said:
Carvajal and Varane were both bought. Do not count. I'll give you Jese Rodriguez but I bet you he didn't demand regular games at 19 like Lopes.
Lopes had 1 year left on his deal and wasn't willing to sign a new deal or bide his time so we had little option. £7-9m is good business.

Chelsea haven't brought a youth team player through to play regular games this millennium.
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Courtois. Who also happens to be the example that shows that you do NOT need to give a player time in your squad to KNOW he is ready to step into the first team. If they are loaned and play at a high enough level our best can walk right into the squad.
 
Neville Kneville said:
And it has been proven that they have a better record for using young players.
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Proven?
Neville Kneville said:
But I've proven that even Real Madrid do.

Chelsea, City & PSG don't, because they prefer not to. Real Madrid are poor at it but still do it. Everyone else uses kids in the squad pretty much all the time, including the two best clubs in recent years.

Your argument which if you remember started with a suggestion by you that only second rate non winning clubs do it, has been absolutely shot to pieces.
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You make no sense! All clubs use youth at some point City - Joe Hart - Chelsea - John Terry/Courtois

My point is that it's common knowledge it's not done often enough.

You proved this yourself by using Jesse as an example 36 games in 4 years! Thanks.
 
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Well, might as well contribute.

We're about to have spent near £100million on two players, if we had them both a few years ago does anyone reckon they'd of broken through? Got the game time needed to become players worth that much? Moreover have the loyalty that brings that we're seeing with De Bruyne, and see each time the scum sniff at a bayern player?

Truth be told until the club proves otherwise we have a poor, very poor record with youth recently. We've promoted 3 youngsters to the 1st team squad now one remains in the span of 2 months. These kids simply have ability, and we are repeat offenders in not showing faith in them. No-one is asking for a homegrown full 11, but god lets start small and hope Nacho gets 5 appearances in the league.
 
The sad reality is that one of the most highly rated young footballers in europe and the poster boy for our academy is leaving us because he doesn't believe we will give him a chance to prove his worth. Karim "if he doesn't make it here we will have failed" Rekik has also gone without getting a chance and Denayer is probably thinking the same thing and wishing he hadn't signed that new contract.

Obviously we don't know how good these players will end up being, or if any of them will become good enough to be integral first team players, but the fact is that we will not get a chance to find out as we have not given them a chance. It's pretty depressing stuff tbh and sends a pretty poor message to the rest of the academy. I think most of us were excited at the prospect of young players being integrated this year, especially Lopes and Denayer, but that doesn't look like happening any time soon. Some people will always find excuses why we shouldn't play our young players, but the reality is that they are probably the exact same excuses Chelsea fans made when selling De Bruyne
 
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