Rony Lopes

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Neville Kneville said:
Can anyone provide a satisfactory answer as to why a kid would get in our team, provide two assists in a cup semi, & never even get even five more minutes in a proper game for City ?
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If anyone watched the West Brom-Chelsea game the other day, Serge Gnabry almost single-handedly gave away WBA's chance at drawing level. Despite having played for Arsenal's first team many times and being considered perhaps their best youth player, he was absolutely terrible in that game and couldn't keep possession if his life depended on it. Wasted multiple chances.

Even if a kid has played well before, it's a major risk every time you put them on the pitch ahead of a more senior player.
 
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abellwillring said:
If anyone watched the West Brom-Chelsea game the other day, Serge Gnabry almost single-handedly gave away WBA's chance at drawing level. Despite having played for Arsenal's first team many times and being considered perhaps their best youth player, he was absolutely terrible in that game and couldn't keep possession if his life depended on it. Wasted multiple chances.

Even if a kid has played well before, it's a major risk every time you put them on the pitch ahead of a more sen likely to play poorly than an established player.

If anyone watched the West Brom-Chelsea game the other day, Serge Gnabry almost single-handedly gave away WBA's chance at drawing level. Despite having played for Arsenal's first team many times and being considered perhaps their best youth player, he was absolutely terrible in that game and couldn't keep possession if his life depended on it. Wasted multiple chances.

Even if a kid has played well before, it's a major risk every time you put them on the pitch ahead of a more senior player.
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Wheras all our experienced team were faultless v Moscow in the Champions League ?
 
9m Euro seems pretty standard for a promising youngster with a full year of senior European football under his belt - might even end up a bargain for Monaco. He's not some clogger destined for a journeyman's career.
 
I think this is a sign of things to come.

Can you imagine once the academy kicks in we can sell 4/5 of these younger players who aren't quite good enough for 8/9£m every year then it's happy days.

£££££££
 
I'm firmly in the camp of if they are good enough, they will break through. However, there is a message coming through from many that they believe they are or have shown enough promise to be given a chance. With all due respect to these posters, unless you are a professional trainer, your views will be seen as just an opinion from a supporter like the rest of us.

It also seems convenient to put the lack of trust on Pellergrini, where (and we don't know for sure), it could be PW saying to Pellers that these kids are not ready yet.

Genuine question and not looking for a keyboard barny.

I would like to ask these posters though what in their opinion represents a chance?

Is it a full 90 min game
A cameo when the game is won
Sitting on the bench
AN Other
 
This illustrates just how special a talent you have to be to cross that bridge from the academy and get first team appearances.
 
Shame saw a lot of him in the previous few seasons as he was growing up but our 'powers' didn't feel he'd make it at our level and he'd got pissed off probably with seeing his chances getting less and less as we improved the squad.

Good luck to him.
 
There will undoubtedly be a first refusal/buy back clause within this deal.
 
SamTheGuru said:
There will undoubtedly be a first refusal/buy back clause within this deal.
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I never really understand why the player would even consider coming back? Barca have successfully brought former youth players back with Fabregas and Pique, but they are Barca, a superpower that can pick practically any player they want and sign them. I don't know what the circumstances are in which Lopes would willingly come back to us after we showed no faith in him whatsoever. We could have a buy back clause of 50p... it doesn't matter.
 
kiam06 said:
I think this is a sign of things to come.

Can you imagine once the academy kicks in we can sell 4/5 of these younger players who aren't quite good enough for 8/9£m every year then it's happy days.

£££££££
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What isn't taken into account is a lot of these players are being bought in for smallish fees then you have their wages and development costs.
For everyone we get a fee for ,we will loose money on the ones that are released or move on very low fees
 
mrtwiceaseason said:
What isn't taken into account is a lot of these players are being bought in for smallish fees then you have their wages and development costs.
For everyone we get a fee for ,we will loose money on the ones that are released or move on very low fees
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Yes but development costs for the youth academy doesn't count towards FFP whereas money recieved from player sales does.
 
Neville Kneville said:
No I haven't.

Normally after his excellent performance in the Cup Semi final, with 2 assists & everyone thinking he looked great a club would start to try & use the kid more & more. When have you seen Rony since ?

Surely you can't tell me Rony did something in that game which meant he was proven not to be good enough to ever play for City again ?
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He had another chance in the Watford game, fluffed his lines and was taken off, Sergio had to save the day
 
tonea2003 said:
He had another chance in the Watford game, fluffed his lines and was taken off, Sergio had to save the day
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Aye, one quiet game (by far not the worst player either) and it's time to throw him in the sea. Luckily none of our senior players have ever had a quiet game. Scott Sinclair got more chances ffs and he never did anything even approaching average
 
Tricky_Trev said:
I never really understand why the player would even consider coming back? Barca have successfully brought former youth players back with Fabregas and Pique, but they are Barca, a superpower that can pick practically any player they want and sign them. I don't know what the circumstances are in which Lopes would willingly come back to us after we showed no faith in him whatsoever. We could have a buy back clause of 50p... it doesn't matter.
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I don't agree. Like you eluded to; it is all circumstantial, but the model that we seem to be pursuing is nothing more than a loan with the selling club (Us in this case) having all the power. If the player becomes a success then we can take him back for a minimal fee. If he does not become a success then we have already reaped the rewards financially and do not have the headache of trying to get the player off of the books. The newly installed youth infrastructure is going to see a lot more of this and it is a sign of true football power to be in this position.
 
Shame to see him go but I trust we attempted to convince him to stay and if he didn't want to take his chances in our squad then that is up too him. Fact of the matter is, the club aren't deliberately blocking youth players playing in the the first team. The club are scrutinizing the players every moment of their lives, no one is better placed then the staff that deal with these players to decide if they are ready to play or not.
 
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