Ross Barkley

[oddfellows]

He would be more expensive than what we have paid for Sergio Aguero. A good player but not at the price Everton will want.

Have I missed something, have we agreed a fee?

 

[Ray78]

He would be more expensive than what we have paid for Sergio Aguero. A good player but not at the price Everton will want.

Have I missed something, have we agreed a fee?

Nope but the price Everton will ask for the player if any club decides to test the water would be more than what we have paid for Aguero or even what we had paid for Yaya.

 

[BillyShears]

He would be more expensive than what we have paid for Sergio Aguero. A good player but not at the price Everton will want.

Have I missed something, have we agreed a fee?

Nope but the price Everton will ask for the player if any club decides to test the water would be more than what we have paid for Aguero or even what we had paid for Yaya.

So?

Honestly, it never ceases to amaze me how people get wound up about transfer fees. Who cares what the club pay - a player is either good enough to play for us or not. If he's good enough, then what he costs is irrelevant.

Fernandinho cost nearly 10 million more than Silva, Nasri, and Toure. He's not a better player but it's what he cost. You can't control the market place, and the stupidest thing you could do is try taking the Wenger/Ferguson route of going looking for value.

You're right, buying Barkley will be expensive, but the club obviously fancy him as someone who's good enough, which is ultimately good enough for me.

 

[callumcity]

Barkley and Pogba are pretty similar players. Both posses pace, power, two-footedness, a pile-driver of a shot, passing ability, technical ability et al. I think Pogba is a better player at the moment just because he has had more exposure to first team football. I do believe barkley will become the better player however. Barkley just seems to me to have more moments of magic and for me just seems to always have something different up his sleeve. I also think he's more skillful and technical than Pogba.

I'd love both but I see them as more of a replacement for Toure rather than somebody to play alongside him. Both will cost similar amounts, and for me it would be wiser to spend it on Barkley as he has the most potential of any young player in the premier league right now, never mind just English players. I don't think we'd buy either until Yaya goes which could be at the end of this season or in 1/2/3 even 4 years time.

Btw, I love the look of Besic at Everton as well. He did well at the WC and really impressed me against QPR. His attitude and workrate is phenomenal and he isn't just all tackle, the lad has ability too. Would be an improvement on Fernando imo. Everton paid peanuts for him as well. Shame we didn't register any interest.

 

[Ray78]

Have I missed something, have we agreed a fee?

Nope but the price Everton will ask for the player if any club decides to test the water would be more than what we have paid for Aguero or even what we had paid for Yaya.

So?

Honestly, it never ceases to amaze me how people get wound up about transfer fees. Who cares what the club pay - a player is either good enough to play for us or not. If he's good enough, then what he costs is irrelevant.

Fernandinho cost nearly 10 million more than Silva, Nasri, and Toure. He's not a better player but it's what he cost. You can't control the market place, and the stupidest thing you could do is try taking the Wenger/Ferguson route of going looking for value.

You're right, buying Barkley will be expensive, but the club obviously fancy him as someone who's good enough, which is ultimately good enough for me.

Equallly the most stupidest thing for any club to do is splash out £40m on a player who has a history of injury trouble who hasn't had any experience in the Champions League and given time the CFA will be producing their very own who will fit in with the seniors playing style!. According to Evertontians they have the next Ross Barkley lined up in their Academy.

I am willing to take flak here but I doubt Barkley will live up to his perceived potential at any club is willing to take a gamble.

 

[oddfellows]

Have I missed something, have we agreed a fee?

Nope but the price Everton will ask for the player if any club decides to test the water would be more than what we have paid for Aguero or even what we had paid for Yaya.

Fernandinho cost nearly 10 million more than Silva, Nasri, and Toure. He's not a better player but it's what he cost. You can't control

So?

Honestly, it never ceases to amaze me how people get wound up about transfer fees. Who cares what the club pay - a player is either good enough to play for us or not. If he's good enough, then what he costs is irrelevant.
the market place, and the stupidest thing you could do is try taking the Wenger/Ferguson route of going looking for value.

You're right, buying Barkley will be expensive, but the club obviously fancy him as someone who's good enough, which is ultimately good enough for me.

I concur, but can we afford him?

Anyone would think we were bankrolled by a company owned by a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal Family

 

[bluechampion7891]

Barkley and Pogba are pretty similar players. Both posses pace, power, two-footedness, a pile-driver of a shot, passing ability, technical ability et al. I think Pogba is a better player at the moment just because he has had more exposure to first team football. I do believe barkley will become the better player however. Barkley just seems to me to have more moments of magic and for me just seems to always have something different up his sleeve. I also think he's more skillful and technical than Pogba.

I'd love both but I see them as more of a replacement for Toure rather than somebody to play alongside him. Both will cost similar amounts, and for me it would be wiser to spend it on Barkley as he has the most potential of any young player in the premier league right now, never mind just English players. I don't think we'd buy either until Yaya goes which could be at the end of this season or in 1/2/3 even 4 years time.

Btw, I love the look of Besic at Everton as well. He did well at the WC and really impressed me against QPR. His attitude and workrate is phenomenal and he isn't just all tackle, the lad has ability too. Would be an improvement on Fernando imo. Everton paid peanuts for him as well. Shame we didn't register any interest.

wow...there are so many things wrong I dont know where to begin

First of all, Pogba or Barkley are not Toure's replacement, at least not directly. They do bring a similar physicality and ball skills but what they lack is the ability to control a game, the range of passing that Yaya possesses, the ability to be always available to receive a pass and play it. These latter qualities define Yaya's role in the team, not the occasional box to box stuff that we see (and that most pundits like to point out that Yaya hasnt had a good game when they dont see that stuff).

So Besic, yeah so he did play well against Messi, but international football is hardly a gauge of someone's true ability. Fernando has CL experience and we've seen how good he was against bayern and Roma, champions league caliber opposition, not QPR, which are relegation candidates

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

why do we need a direct replacement for Yaya? It's time to evolve and at the moment we are heading, with our performances, into the very real scenario of Yaya or Silva, so in reality teams have to adjust, try a different style and hey, perhaps a fresh approach will bring something new and a return to some seriously good football, because let's face it we haven't set the world alight this season.

 

[callumcity]

Barkley and Pogba are pretty similar players. Both posses pace, power, two-footedness, a pile-driver of a shot, passing ability, technical ability et al. I think Pogba is a better player at the moment just because he has had more exposure to first team football. I do believe barkley will become the better player however. Barkley just seems to me to have more moments of magic and for me just seems to always have something different up his sleeve. I also think he's more skillful and technical than Pogba.

I'd love both but I see them as more of a replacement for Toure rather than somebody to play alongside him. Both will cost similar amounts, and for me it would be wiser to spend it on Barkley as he has the most potential of any young player in the premier league right now, never mind just English players. I don't think we'd buy either until Yaya goes which could be at the end of this season or in 1/2/3 even 4 years time.

Btw, I love the look of Besic at Everton as well. He did well at the WC and really impressed me against QPR. His attitude and workrate is phenomenal and he isn't just all tackle, the lad has ability too. Would be an improvement on Fernando imo. Everton paid peanuts for him as well. Shame we didn't register any interest.

wow...there are so many things wrong I dont know where to begin

First of all, Pogba or Barkley are not Toure's replacement, at least not directly. They do bring a similar physicality and ball skills but what they lack is the ability to control a game, the range of passing that Yaya possesses, the ability to be always available to receive a pass and play it. These latter qualities define Yaya's role in the team, not the occasional box to box stuff that we see (and that most pundits like to point out that Yaya hasnt had a good game when they dont see that stuff).

So Besic, yeah so he did play well against Messi, but international football is hardly a gauge of someone's true ability. Fernando has CL experience and we've seen how good he was against bayern and Roma, champions league caliber opposition, not QPR, which are relegation candidates

Did you see Barkley last night vs QPR? He played in a deeper role and controlled and dictated the game for everton, at the age of 21. Yaya couldn't ping a 30 yard pass when he was 21 and he didn't do it when he'd first joined city. He also couldn't control a game at 21. It was a late addition to Yaya's game and im sure in time Barkley will master the art of a long ranged pass. Barkley is a very intelligent player who shares many qualities with Toure so for you to dismiss him is very naive.

About Besic, I call them how i see them and what i've seen from Besic is very impressive. He seems more technically and mentally adept to the premier league than Fernando and I also admire his attitude which is similar to that of Milner. Yes, Fernando has champions league experience, but so does fucking Cleverley. I'm not bashing Fernando, I think hes been a welcomed addition to the squad, its just I think Besic has a bit more about him.

I stand by everything I said. You are a fool if you think Barkley or Pogba can't replace Toure.

 

[g180aj]

Barkley and Pogba are pretty similar players. Both posses pace, power, two-footedness, a pile-driver of a shot, passing ability, technical ability et al. I think Pogba is a better player at the moment just because he has had more exposure to first team football. I do believe barkley will become the better player however. Barkley just seems to me to have more moments of magic and for me just seems to always have something different up his sleeve. I also think he's more skillful and technical than Pogba.

I'd love both but I see them as more of a replacement for Toure rather than somebody to play alongside him. Both will cost similar amounts, and for me it would be wiser to spend it on Barkley as he has the most potential of any young player in the premier league right now, never mind just English players. I don't think we'd buy either until Yaya goes which could be at the end of this season or in 1/2/3 even 4 years time.

Btw, I love the look of Besic at Everton as well. He did well at the WC and really impressed me against QPR. His attitude and workrate is phenomenal and he isn't just all tackle, the lad has ability too. Would be an improvement on Fernando imo. Everton paid peanuts for him as well. Shame we didn't register any interest.

wow...there are so many things wrong I dont know where to begin

First of all, Pogba or Barkley are not Toure's replacement, at least not directly. They do bring a similar physicality and ball skills but what they lack is the ability to control a game, the range of passing that Yaya possesses, the ability to be always available to receive a pass and play it. These latter qualities define Yaya's role in the team, not the occasional box to box stuff that we see (and that most pundits like to point out that Yaya hasnt had a good game when they dont see that stuff).

So Besic, yeah so he did play well against Messi, but international football is hardly a gauge of someone's true ability. Fernando has CL experience and we've seen how good he was against bayern and Roma, champions league caliber opposition, not QPR, which are relegation candidates

Did you see Barkley last night vs QPR? He played in a deeper role and controlled and dictated the game for everton, at the age of 21. Yaya couldn't ping a 30 yard pass when he was 21 and he didn't do it when he'd first joined city. He also couldn't control a game at 21. It was a late addition to Yaya's game and im sure in time Barkley will master the art of a long ranged pass. Barkley is a very intelligent player who shares many qualities with Toure so for you to dismiss him is very naive.

About Besic, I call them how i see them and what i've seen from Besic is very impressive. He seems more technically and mentally adept to the premier league than Fernando and I also admire his attitude which is similar to that of Milner. Yes, Fernando has champions league experience, but so does fucking Cleverley. I'm not bashing Fernando, I think hes been a welcomed addition to the squad, its just I think Besic has a bit more about him.

I stand by everything I said. You are a fool if you think Barkley or Pogba can't replace Toure.

I agree, the bottom line is no 2 players are exactly the same and both Barkley and Pogba seem to have the ability to be rounded centre midfielders and a potential to be the best in the world in that position and role, as far as I can see there is no reason why we couldn't get both although money could be an issue they would be the basis our team is built around for the next 8 years at least if you paid £40mill each that would be 10 a year and worth every penny.
Besic is another one I've spoke to my efc friends about I thought although he is a bit reckless in challenges he seems to be very quick and switched on and never stops running like Milner could be a good player off the bench to go 3 in centre mid and shut games out.