Roy Hodgson 'Feed the monkey'

[Citizen of Legoland]

By the way, for those who are on about Hodgson not intending to cause offence - that's all fine and dandy, but in the workplace it doesn't matter if you mean to cause offence. It's not the intent, it's the perception. If one of the players was offended then that's what matters.

I don't for a second think Hodgson is racist, but he's a fucking idiot for saying what he did. As I've said before, have people in football missed the last 25 years?

Ah well, it all bodes well for England's preparation for the World Cup......

So what you are saying is that no-one is allowed to say anything that might be perceived as offensive whether intended or not?

BOLLOCKS

What we are seeing is the inability of individuals to understand how communication works. In other words, we are being dictated to, and controlled by, the stupid.

Unfortunately fella it's not bollocks, it's true. If you work in a company with a HR department just go along and ask them.

Scenario: you are speaking to a friend and tell an 'off colour' joke, or make a remark to them, and your friend doesn't take offence - all fine and dandy. However, if a colleague over hears that remark and takes offence at it, regardless of the fact that you didn't intend any offence, and that they weren't involved in the conversation, you'd still have to speak with HR about the comments.

It's the world we now live in.

Ah yes, very aware of how it works in the office having had to manage such situations down the years. My office persona differs quite a lot from my real persona - I would argue most white men do the same. What I do and say in management isn't always what I believe in.

Unfortunately it appears that someone has misinterpreted Hodgson's communcation. An intelligent person would have realised it was a joke relating to the early days of space exploration where monkeys were used (I assume this is what is was about, haven't heard it yet). An intelligent person would also make allowances for the age difference and general attitude of whoever was speaking to determine if they were making a racist comment.

What appears to have happened, is that someone has seen an opportunity to force Hodgson into a humbling apology purely based on the difference in colour of skin between the two. Would this have been reported if Hodgson was black? Who really is the racist in all this?

The sad thing is that if innocent remarks are continually seen as something else, we will continue to see white men driven towards extreme views, which makes dealing with real racist issues all the harder.

 

[Skashion]

I bet the pc brigade are rubbing their hands to be offended.

I bet the anti-PC brigade are rubbing their hands too...

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Does anyone else remember Geoff Hurst (as he then was) on MOTD in the early nineties, alongside Garth Crooks, when he used that unfortunate expression that our grandparents used to use that involves black people and woodpiles.

It really was a "drop your bacon sarnie" moment. Even twenty years ago what the fuck was he thinking? I remember turning to mate and saying "did he just fucking say what I thought he said?"

I didn't see him make another appearance.

Shame the same can't be said about Garth Crooks.

Geoff Hurst must have had some neck to say that in front of Garth Crooks.<br /><br />-- Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:47 pm --<br /><br />

I bet the pc brigade are rubbing their hands to be offended.

I bet the anti-PC brigade are rubbing their hands too...

I've yet to meet a member of this mythical PC Brigade.
I wish I could, if only to buy them a pint for annoying the fuck out of right wing basket cases.

 

[Crouchinho]

i'm a bit split here, no I don't think he's a racist but if this would see him replaced for a better manager then so be it.

It's someone trying to tarnish his name. That would be cruel to get someone in after he got us through.

The last two matches gave the country a lift. It was more direct and positive football. I'd like to see that again come the world cup instead of the poor football last euro

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Does anyone else remember Geoff Hurst (as he then was) on MOTD in the early nineties, alongside Garth Crooks, when he used that unfortunate expression that our grandparents used to use that involves black people and woodpiles.

It really was a "drop your bacon sarnie" moment. Even twenty years ago what the fuck was he thinking? I remember turning to mate and saying "did he just fucking say what I thought he said?"

I didn't see him make another appearance.

Shame the same can't be said about Garth Crooks.

Geoff Hurst must have had some neck to say that in front of Garth Crooks.

I was surprised Garth didn't go for the jugular, there and then.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Does anyone else remember Geoff Hurst (as he then was) on MOTD in the early nineties, alongside Garth Crooks, when he used that unfortunate expression that our grandparents used to use that involves black people and woodpiles.

It really was a "drop your bacon sarnie" moment. Even twenty years ago what the fuck was he thinking? I remember turning to mate and saying "did he just fucking say what I thought he said?"

I didn't see him make another appearance.

Shame the same can't be said about Garth Crooks.

Geoff Hurst must have had some neck to say that in front of Garth Crooks.

I was surprised Garth didn't go for the jugular, there and then.

...clearly Garth wasn't operating at full throttle.
He seldom is.

 

[THFC6061]

The joke, as far as I can remember, goes something like this.

NASA send a monkey and an astronaut into space.

Each is given a list of tasks to do.

MONKEY
Check booster separation.
Fire retro rockets a T+ 22.05 into the mission.
Check correct orbit is achieved and adjust if needed.
Perform scientific tests.
Relay telemetry data to mission control.
Prepare for re-entry.

ASTRONAUT
Feed the monkey.



If this is indeed the joke Hodgson told, I defy anyone to find anything remotely racist about it.

 

[dazdon]

I'm offended that everyone's offended!

 

[blueparrot]

Does anyone else remember Geoff Hurst (as he then was) on MOTD in the early nineties, alongside Garth Crooks, when he used that unfortunate expression that our grandparents used to use that involves black people and woodpiles.

It really was a "drop your bacon sarnie" moment. Even twenty years ago what the fuck was he thinking? I remember turning to mate and saying "did he just fucking say what I thought he said?"

I didn't see him make another appearance.

Shame the same can't be said about Garth Crooks.

Geoff Hurst must have had some neck to say that in front of Garth Crooks.

-- Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:47 pm --

I bet the pc brigade are rubbing their hands to be offended.

I bet the anti-PC brigade are rubbing their hands too...

I've yet to meet a member of this mythical PC Brigade.
I wish I could, if only to buy them a pint for annoying the fuck out of right wing basket cases.

They are an invention of the Mail, so they can print stories and blame somebody for having to print it.

 

[Skashion]

I do like the subtext from Hodgson - Smalling, you're fucking useless, pass it to Townsend, that's your only fucking job.