Rudd quits

[The perfect fumble]

Well for a start the final article is largely asking the housing minister to build up not on new land. He implemented a policy on that only weeks ago to much acclaim so effectively did what he was being asked to do in the final article. This was heavily publicised. Not much more needs to be said on that one.

The first article is saying nothing more than we need more homes - we are building more than we have in a generation. Homes England are also building and developing directly by partnering up with developers which again is what is called for in the article. Nothing else needs to be said on it.

The middle article is superseded as significant new funds to the tune of 9 billion have been allocated for new home building.

The 3 articles are extremely limited in content and fact.

I could list tens of jobs in Manchester alone funded by the Manchester devolution housing fund. The two huge ones at the entrance to deansgate being the most evident. The housing fund is also being diverted under the stewarship of Andy burnham to build significant affordable housing in suburbia. 300 million of devolution money recycled 5 times will mean a 1.5 billion housing fund is working in Manchester as we speak.

On top of this I requote Sajid Javids full speech. This sums up what he has achieved in this role.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/sajid-javids-speech-on-the-housing-market

I suggest you read the full speech - it really does show the quality intelligence empathy and commitment of the man.

Once you have read it could you be so kind as to say where you think he may be going wrong? And what would you or let’s say dianne the toilet cleaner (or any other menial job) Abbott do better than a self made millionaire intellectual son of an immigrant bus driver? (From Rochdale I might add!)

I apologise for posting this 15 minutes ahead of my 10 pm deadline.

And this will solve the housing crisis how? Governments, even inept and duplicitous ones like this one will do stuff, spend billions here and there, but to what end? What is the scale of the project, what targets are being set (we know Tories love targets). How many houses are being built, year on year, and by whom and at what cost, for what demographic, over what period of time? What finite period are we looking at when we can say that the housing crises has been solved? And what extra expenditure is being pumped in (peanuts, by the look of it given the scale of the problem).

I've read Javid's speech, tinkering and warm words, it lacks the vision and the boldness and yes the money to achieve anything of significance, typical seen to be doing something, vacuous bullshit.

You need to take a look at the post war house building programme mate and compare and contrast, then sit in a darkened room with a bottle of whisky and weep.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

As I have already said, it is not possible to graduate from a top university if you have a below average intelligence. She is far more intelligent and accomplished than the vast majority of people throwing crude insults at her.

You can disagree with her, but to call her clinically stupid says more about you than it does her.

With respect mate she has the debating and political nuance of a turnip being unable to project herself in a manner befitting politicians at her current level of play.She should't be anywhere near the front benches but maybe has a part to play in her own constituency safely away from the media.I can see Labour winning the next election if they manage to get their house in order.Here is another toe curler.There are many more.

 

[Vic]

I will help you a bit more

http://modularhomeowners.com/do-you-know-the-difference-between-prefab-and-manufactured-homes/

Oh, stop it. "Modular and Panel Built both qualify as prefab..."

Now if you fancy a debate about why developers are building trad rather than prefab I'm sure that would be fascinating but that's certainly not much to do with Rudd quitting.

 

[steviemc]

I don’t recall ever calling Boris stupid (although I probably have). Incompetent. Ignorant. Clown. But not stupid. He is clearly intelligent. Just the dangerous kind.

You don’t graduate from a top university like Cambridge unless you have a certain level of intelligence and determination.

Are you for real? Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber (Ph.D). Harold Shipman graduated doctor, John Wayne Gacy - Northwestern Business College graduate, Ted Bundy (Phsychology Degree), Lyle Menendez, killed his parents, Princeton graduate. Amy Bishop, shot six, killed three (Northeaston University graduate and PhD from Harvard), Michael Ross, rapist, Cornell University graduate, Jason Bohn, Columbia University graduate, beat and strangled his girlfriend to death. I could go on, and on...and on. Please do your do your homework, these were graduates of top colleges. Hopefully you'll come back with something a tad more substantial than a Cambridge graduate must have 'a certain level of intelligence and determination'. Yes, those people I've just mentioned certainly fit your criteria - they did have a certain level of intelligence and determination. Now please tell me how that worked out for the good of the public? The fact that you can graduate has nothing to do with morality, realism or good judgement.

This isn't a gripe against any individual politician, just a gripe against the misnomer that a university education somehow gives you a free pass not to behave like a cockwomble.

 

[Vic]

The fact that you can graduate has nothing to do with morality, realism or good judgement.

As the present cabinet can demonstrate.

 

[Ricster]

Speaking of which:



Is she pissed or did she have a stroke mid broadcast?

At least the Tories have the moral fortitude and nous to actually fucking resign.

A real embarrassment

 

[Ricster]

Has to be Javid if only because the racists on social media are having a melt and predicting Sharia law will be introduced within a month. Outside of the entertainment value of appointing a Muslim Home Sec I doubt much will change but we’ll find out soon enough.

Ive stayed off politics on Social media for a couple of weeks now so havent seen them but if so thats disgusting

 

[Ricster]

If you can find one other post where I have said I am going to a meeting before today I will apologise - I haven't to my knowledge in going on ten years so shut it along with your mate.

No but you said you were going to bed yesterday or the day before and stayed around for an extra hour ;)

 

[Vic]

And this will solve the housing crisis how? Governments, even inept and duplicitous ones like this one will do stuff, spend billions here and there, but to what end? What is the scale of the project, what targets are being set (we know Tories love targets). How many houses are being built, year on year, and by whom and at what cost, for what demographic, over what period of time? What finite period are we looking at when we can say that the housing crises has been solved? And what extra expenditure is being pumped in (peanuts, by the look of it given the scale of the problem).

I've read Javid's speech, tinkering and warm words, it lacks the vision and the boldness and yes the money to achieve anything of significance, typical seen to be doing something, vacuous bullshit.

You need to take a look at the post war house building programme mate and compare and contrast, then sit in a darkened room with a bottle of whisky and weep.

I'd be more generous than that but while house building is still largely a private enterprise and profit based, there's not going to be a real revival. I picked up on this:
"Yesterday, the Housing Minister Alok Sharma, he signed the papers that will allow housing associations to be reclassified as private sector organisations."

One north west case is that a brownfield town centre site came to the plans committee recommended for approval with 200 apartments, none "affordable" and no contribution for affordable housing elsewhere (not Manchester though that seems the norm for many such projects). It wasn't on the committee papers that the applicant agent was acting for the local housing association. If HAs end up acting as just another commercial builder, what's that going to mean for affordable housing? Big ugly building too.

As the Tory-led local government association says, let local authorities build again (and without the nonsense of right to buy discounts).

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Speaking of which:



Is she pissed or did she have a stroke mid broadcast?

At least the Tories have the moral fortitude and nous to actually fucking resign.

Haha brilliant, even in her moment of triumph she managed to come across as totally stupid.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I'd be more generous than that but while house building is still largely a private enterprise and profit based, there's not going to be a real revival. I picked up on this:
"Yesterday, the Housing Minister Alok Sharma, he signed the papers that will allow housing associations to be reclassified as private sector organisations."

One north west case is that a brownfield town centre site came to the plans committee recommended for approval with 200 apartments, none "affordable" and no contribution for affordable housing elsewhere (not Manchester though that seems the norm for many such projects). It wasn't on the committee papers that the applicant agent was acting for the local housing association. If HAs end up acting as just another commercial builder, what's that going to mean for affordable housing? Big ugly building too.

As the Tory-led local government association says, let local authorities build again (and without the nonsense of right to buy discounts).

Agreed.

There's a reason it's called social housing, because its purpose is to satisfy a social need not a market one, that is why the market cannot solve it, in fact it is the market that is exacerbating it, so it falls to government, both national and local, to take ownership of this project and it's going to require public money, lots of it, over time, to solve it. The Tories are hardwired to fail at this, first they deny there's a problem, then they deny it's their responsibility, then they recoil at what is required to solve it, then they spin and throw tit bits at their market chums to create little flurries of activity to no purpose.

I repeat, the market, left to its own devices, brought us this housing crisis, it will not solve it, the Tories cannot accept that. The kind of government intervention in the housing market required to tackle this problem smacks too much of socialism, it runs against the grain of their neoliberal instincts.

Javid did nothing to solve the housing crisis, building an inadequate number of houses that is slightly more than the inadequate number the year before is pathetic, whichever way you slice it.

 

[stonerblue]

And yet that’s no defence for Boris!!

You cannot watch any of her interviews and believe she is anything other than a fucking idiot. Although maybe you can, I guess it’s all about perspective.

Have you mentioned Rudd yet in this thread?

 

[worsleyweb]

Agreed.

There's a reason it's called social housing, because its purpose is to satisfy a social need not a market one, so the government, both national a local, have to take ownership of this project and it requires public money, lots of it, over time to solve it. The Tories are hardwired to fail at this, first they deny there's a problem, then they deny it's their responsibility, then they recoil at what is required to solve it, then they spin and throw tit bits at their market chums to create little flurries of activity to no purpose.

The market brought us to this housing crisis, it will not solve it, the Tories cannot accept that. The kind of government intervention in the housing market required to tackle this problem smacks too much of socialism, it runs against the grain of their neoliberal instincts.

Javid did nothing to solve the housing crisis, building an inadequate number of houses that is slightly more than the inadequate number the year before is pathetic, whichever way you slice it.

But he built much more than the last labour government. You are slightly rapid in your logic and to me an example of the danger of men like Corbyn.

 

[The perfect fumble]

But he built much more than the last labour government. You are slightly rapid in your logic and to me an example of the danger of men like Corbyn.

Yes, well done, your piss poor total is better than New Labour's piss poor total.

No one believes that anything being done now will solve the housing crisis, no one, not even Javid, of that I'm certain. Housing, like education and health, requires planning, with an end game and public money, everything else is noises off.

 

[SWP's back]

Have you mentioned Rudd yet in this thread?

She’s a ****.

Hope that helps.

Ps, have you?

 

[stonerblue]

She’s a ****.

Hope that helps.

Ps, have you?

True.

It does ta.

Yes.

 

[Homar]

Are you for real? Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber (Ph.D). Harold Shipman graduated doctor, John Wayne Gacy - Northwestern Business College graduate, Ted Bundy (Phsychology Degree), Lyle Menendez, killed his parents, Princeton graduate. Amy Bishop, shot six, killed three (Northeaston University graduate and PhD from Harvard), Michael Ross, rapist, Cornell University graduate, Jason Bohn, Columbia University graduate, beat and strangled his girlfriend to death. I could go on, and on...and on. Please do your do your homework, these were graduates of top colleges. Hopefully you'll come back with something a tad more substantial than a Cambridge graduate must have 'a certain level of intelligence and determination'. Yes, those people I've just mentioned certainly fit your criteria - they did have a certain level of intelligence and determination. Now please tell me how that worked out for the good of the public? The fact that you can graduate has nothing to do with morality, realism or good judgement.

This isn't a gripe against any individual politician, just a gripe against the misnomer that a university education somehow gives you a free pass not to behave like a cockwomble.

Perhaps you should read again what I said, because you clearly did not understand it the first time.
My only claim was that she almost certainly does not have a below average IQ.

 

[SWP's back]

Perhaps you should read again what I said, because you clearly did not understand it the first time.
My only claim was that she almost certainly does not have a below average IQ.

Unless she’s become more stupid over time.

Which certainly appears to be happening.

She can’t form a coherent sentence for fucks sake, and it’s not just one interview. It’s every single one for the past year.

 

[Homar]

With respect mate she has the debating and political nuance of a turnip being unable to project herself in a manner befitting politicians at her current level of play.She should't be anywhere near the front benches but maybe has a part to play in her own constituency safely away from the media.I can see Labour winning the next election if they manage to get their house in order.Here is another toe curler.There are many more.

So she is guilty of being a poor public speaker.
Fine, but let's not make out that she is a clinical moron, which was the charge levelled against her to which I was responding.

 

[Homar]

Unless she’s become more stupid over time.

Which certainly appears to be happening.

She can’t form a coherent sentence for fucks sake, and it’s not just one interview. It’s every single one for the past year.

She has clearly been told off previously for not taking sufficient care over her choice of words. Politicians generally need to take extreme care over what they say, particularly in the aftermath of Rudd getting the sack for this very reason. It's not like she is the only person on the planet that has difficulty with public speaking.