Running thread

franksinatra said:
Cheers Gaz. Also I have done my usual trick of never following a training plan and just running when I feel like it, and then next thing you know it’s 9 weeks away.

Still hopefully will enjoy both of them, not beat myself up about times and use both runs as building blocks for next year.

Valencia definitely a possibility for next year as I hear it’s super quick. Looks like you have a great few months of running ahead of you.
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Marathon Plans are all well and good for some folk, but sticking to them can be tough, especially in summer, I've kinda ditched my marathon plan with runna, a mixture of CBA and having family/work commitments etc, none of us are the same so generic plans are not 100% the answer(that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!)
My theory on back to back Mara's is you always go faster on the second mara, it's worked for me 4/5 times now, so I reckon you will have a decent time waiting for you on the 2nd marathon.
Aye Valencia is rapid, but so is Chicago,
 
gaz76 said:
I did the Rochdale half last year I think, and that was an out and back mainly on the canal, each to there own but it bored the shit out of me, flat same mile after mile, maybe it gets better if yer carry on past sunny rochdale
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No I get that, same as running along a beach promenade. Great once but then without any descent/ascent, same view it’s pretty soul destroying.

I did a race along a now disused railway line, it was torturous for about 6k where all I could see was a straight path and bushes either side.
 
gaz76 said:
Are you building for the full canalathon? 100km
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Gaz, I have two chronic illnesses and still recovering from shoulder socket fracture... so no I am targeting the 50K first and then see if I like ultras or not. With my illnesses the fueling and energy release are the hardest part when I have done marathons before. "Baby steps". I am stepping away from Marathons as I will aim for times and kill myself, where as ultras is just about finishing them.
 
AirbagsOptionalTheReturn said:
Gaz, I have two chronic illnesses and still recovering from shoulder socket fracture... so no I am targeting the 50K first and then see if I like ultras or not. With my illnesses the fueling and energy release are the hardest part when I have done marathons before. "Baby steps". I am stepping away from Marathons as I will aim for times and kill myself, where as ultras is just about finishing them.
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Hope it goes well for you mate, obstacles are there to be overcome.
Your totally right about the ultra game, very few folk if any actually run the full distance and the pace is a lot more relaxed than a full lung buster of a marathon, it's a totally different game
 
Ilovehappyendings said:
FYI. One to look at.
I haven't run for years. Multi surface football and shin splints mainly I had it down to. I've done biomechanical assessments, gait analysis etc.
I had got a bit fitter the last couple of years and starting running a little in the gym. Fine. But then every so often my ankle would go. Like an Achilles problem or stress fracture.
The physio and GP sent me for an x-ray. Nothing.
The radiologist said have you ever been checked for gout. Lol. I was, wtf, I'm not Henry 8th...

Anyway turns out it was. Hereditary. Uric acid levels too high. Worth a check for anyone who can't find an answer....

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I get your jokey reference to gout but, as anyone who's had the condition will tell you, it's no laughing matter. Despite a decent level of fitness and relatively healthy vegetarian diet for the past 40 years, I was diagnosed with gout in one of my knees of all places about six years ago. Frankly, the pain was excruciating and could be set off by so much as the bed sheets brushing against the affected area. That said, I've never suffered a recurrence and am unable to attribute the cause. Now that I've started running seriously, I'm hoping it never returns!
 
gaz76 said:
Marathon Plans are all well and good for some folk, but sticking to them can be tough, especially in summer, I've kinda ditched my marathon plan with runna, a mixture of CBA and having family/work commitments etc, none of us are the same so generic plans are not 100% the answer(that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!)
My theory on back to back Mara's is you always go faster on the second mara, it's worked for me 4/5 times now, so I reckon you will have a decent time waiting for you on the 2nd marathon.
Aye Valencia is rapid, but so is Chicago,
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As someone whose never run marathon distance (but might consider it in the not too distant future), I'm intrigued by the various training regimes. One of my running buddies has taken the novel approach of running a 3.7k loop repeatedly until he hits the 26.2 mile mark and is doing so at least once a week! While admittedly a little eccentric, it does seem to be working for him as his time is coming down rapidly at each attempt with a Yasso estimate of sub three hours on the big day! Me, I'd be bored shitless at seeing the same scenery going past that many times. However, it clearly works for him.
 
Kippaxpete said:
I get your jokey reference to gout but, as anyone who's had the condition will tell you, it's no laughing matter. Despite a decent level of fitness and relatively healthy vegetarian diet for the past 40 years, I was diagnosed with gout in one of my knees of all places about six years ago. Frankly, the pain was excruciating and could be set off by so much as the bed sheets brushing against the affected area. That said, I've never suffered a recurrence and am unable to attribute the cause. Now that I've started running seriously, I'm hoping it never returns!
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Mate. I couldn't agree with you more. My jokey reference was down to my surprise and ignorance. Rich man's disease, too much red meat, wine and mead.....etc
I couldn't put my foot down, I had to crawl on my hands and knees down the stairs and to the bathroom. Never experienced pain like it.
Sadly this was last May so also cost me trips to Istanbul and Wembley....

Interesting that you never found the cause. I attribute mine to a high level of stress at the time, combined with the inability of my kidneys to process the amount of uric acid. (They subsequently found kidney stones). And was told it was hereditary ( one of the first questions asked, has your brother/ father had gout?)
I also learned a lot about foods that can cause it. And it's not just red meat/ tuna. I talked to people that have gout attacks with mushrooms or onions for example....Glad you are back running....I'm just starting again.....
 
Ilovehappyendings said:
Mate. I couldn't agree with you more. My jokey reference was down to my surprise and ignorance. Rich man's disease, too much red meat, wine and mead.....etc
I couldn't put my foot down, I had to crawl on my hands and knees down the stairs and to the bathroom. Never experienced pain like it.
Sadly this was last May so also cost me trips to Istanbul and Wembley....

Interesting that you never found the cause. I attribute mine to a high level of stress at the time, combined with the inability of my kidneys to process the amount of uric acid. (They subsequently found kidney stones). And was told it was hereditary ( one of the first questions asked, has your brother/ father had gout?)
I also learned a lot about foods that can cause it. And it's not just red meat/ tuna. I talked to people that have gout attacks with mushrooms or onions for example....Glad you are back running....I'm just starting again.....
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Likewise mate. That was precisely why, until the diagnosis, I never thought that the cause of the pain could be gout. Coincidentally, I was particularly stressed at the time and, like you, suffered from kidney stones around 18 months later (incidentally, by far and away the most excruciating pain I have ever suffered). While I'm unsure of my family history where gout is concerned, that inability to process uric acid must surely be linked if not causative.
Best of British with your running adventure and hope you stay healthy!
 
For those suffering from or get gout. Cherry juice is your friend guys. From a long time sufferer who hasn't had a bout for about 10 years now.
 
Kippaxpete said:
As someone whose never run marathon distance (but might consider it in the not too distant future), I'm intrigued by the various training regimes. One of my running buddies has taken the novel approach of running a 3.7k loop repeatedly until he hits the 26.2 mile mark and is doing so at least once a week! While admittedly a little eccentric, it does seem to be working for him as his time is coming down rapidly at each attempt with a Yasso estimate of sub three hours on the big day! Me, I'd be bored shitless at seeing the same scenery going past that many times. However, it clearly works for him.
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That's pretty interesting, if I've read your post right your mate is doing a marathon a week? That's some going! How long has he been doing it for?
With regards to the yasso's I've never tried that actual session but have done similar stuff(only once on the track though) and intervals are great for building speed, it would be interesting to know how he gets on in a real timed marathon, as there's lots of aspects to it, fueling stamina speed etc etc etc, sub 3 is a monkey on my back and a tough nut to crack, closest I've done is 3hrs 14 seconds
 
gaz76 said:
That's pretty interesting, if I've read your post right your mate is doing a marathon a week? That's some going! How long has he been doing it for?
With regards to the yasso's I've never tried that actual session but have done similar stuff(only once on the track though) and intervals are great for building speed, it would be interesting to know how he gets on in a real timed marathon, as there's lots of aspects to it, fueling stamina speed etc etc etc, sub 3 is a monkey on my back and a tough nut to crack, closest I've done is 3hrs 14 seconds
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Isn't it? For context, this is someone who once told me that he treats his body as a human laboratory! But yes, he's been running a marathon distance at least once every week for the past six weeks or so. That's in addition to some other fairly lengthy runs over a range of terrain - including fell - and a fair amount of cross training. Incidentally, well done on your PB which is seriously fast. I'll update you good people once he's completed his target race.
 
Kippaxpete said:
Isn't it? For context, this is someone who once told me that he treats his body as a human laboratory! But yes, he's been running a marathon distance at least once every week for the past six weeks or so. That's in addition to some other fairly lengthy runs over a range of terrain - including fell - and a fair amount of cross training. Incidentally, well done on your PB which is seriously fast. I'll update you good people once he's completed his target race.
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Wow that seems like too much strain on the body to me. Most marathon training plans never train to the marathon distance. They maybe hit two twenty mile runs with lots of slow, interval and speed work making up the rest of the plan. If it works for him then fair enough but I would be very wary trying to use that as a template
 
AirbagsOptionalTheReturn said:
Wow that seems like too much strain on the body to me. Most marathon training plans never train to the marathon distance. They maybe hit two twenty mile runs with lots of slow, interval and speed work making up the rest of the plan. If it works for him then fair enough but I would be very wary trying to use that as a template
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I agree, well kind of, there's lots of variables... Age is a big factor, a 20 year old would recover far quicker than a 45 year old, then there's what else he does all week, does he just top up the 26.2 miles with a few more runs?
I keep saying it but we are all different and generic mara plans don't factor a lot of variables.
Then there's the actual race predictors, I've done 3 marathons over 3 weeks and the race predictors do tumble as they think that you are getting fitter by doing more when in reality your getting weighed down by fatigue etc.
I'm not knocking Pete's mate, in fact the opposite, I hope it works for him, always good to see people thinking outside of the box and saying "fuck what everyone's saying is the way to do it I'm trying something different"
There's loads of folk that have crazy run streaks, I know a guy who did his 150th half marathon in little over 3 months yesterday, I bet his stats are through the roof and race predictors are mega high
 
AirbagsOptionalTheReturn said:
Wow that seems like too much strain on the body to me. Most marathon training plans never train to the marathon distance. They maybe hit two twenty mile runs with lots of slow, interval and speed work making up the rest of the plan. If it works for him then fair enough but I would be very wary trying to use that as a template
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That's exactly what concerns me but there's no deterring him. In fact, he did suffer a calf injury within the last three weeks but, instead of resting it, he attempted to run it off and is only now getting back to his insane routine (notwithstanding the obligatory marathon a week)! I do wonder whether a psychologist would have a field day exploring his motivation and sheer bloody mindedness! It's perhaps worth adding that he's one of the nicest people I've ever met with none of the more sinister traits often associated with someone so driven. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with tapering as the race itself draws near if, indeed, he's able to deviate from the regime employed thus far.
 
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