Russian invasion of Ukraine

Octavian said:
The last fortnight has shown how important some things we take for granted are.

A free press that has the government on the run a lot of the time.

Living in a liberal democracy.

Our relationship with the rest of Europe and how important they are as allies (of course the US too).

NATO.

I never thought about them day to day as I’m not that bothered about politics but I’m bloody grateful for them all now.
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And to think, we’ve been told for over 2 decades that the enemy we had to fear was the EU.…………..
 
I reckon if Putin didn’t have his nukes we’d obviously already all be in there fighting his army (by all I mean NATO)… and I reckon NATO would demolish it.

I’ve been very unimpressed by the Russian war effort, it’s shown how weak they are without their nuclear weapons.
 
OZ interview on Football Focus at noon
 
west didsblue said:
Now that it’s looking possible that Russia are facing humiliation in Ukraine we’re probably entering the most dangerous week in world history while we wait to find out whether Putin is mad enough to order the launch of his nukes and whether his chain of command will follow those orders.
No point worrying, there’s nothing we can do so hope everyone has a good week.
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You're right, but "have a good week" seems so incongruous.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
And to think, we’ve been told for over 2 decades that the enemy we had to fear was the EU.…………..
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Taken from an opinion piece in the Guardian yesterday.....

"The same goes for the European Union. Britons, especially, came to associate the EU with trade at best, pettifogging bureaucracy at worst. When the EU won the Nobel peace prize in 2012, many scratched their heads with incomprehension. Well, there’s no excuse for bafflement now. Putin has jogged our memories that the EU was founded out of the conviction that the only future for a continent that had been at the centre of two world wars in 30 years was to come together: to share sovereignty rather than to kill for it. The sight of a khaki-clad Volodymyr Zelenskiy signing Ukraine’s request to join the EU, even as Russian forces approached, demonstrated again that for Europeans, the EU has always been about safety and peace. How shaming to think of the Eurosceptics who pretended the EU was some kind of foreign occupier, referring to it as the “EUSSR”. How shaming to think that the British contribution to this noble postwar ideal was to abandon it."
 
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