Russian invasion of Ukraine

[SWP's back]

I've been reading a lot of WW2 books recently and its striking how similar the significant issues are. In fact you could argue that the fighting in Normandy by the allies was more sophisticated.

In 1944 the allies had massive air superiority and they were working on tactics to better use this to their advantage. They eventually developed a system called the taxi rank. The tank crews would have a pilot / navigator join them in the tank and they put them on the radio. Tanks then became more of a reconnaissance roll - they would push forward untill they came under fire. Then they pulled back and called in the dive bombers. They would fire coloured smoke at the enemy position to mark them. The call for the fighter bombers would be relayed back but once close enough the tank would speak directly to the pilot giving them very detailed instructions. By this point they even had missiles so the accuracy of the air to ground was almost as good as today.

What they didn't have to face was smart air defence weapons. That is the game changer and why in some ways this fighting is more primitive. The Russians dont seem willing to use air superiority as the weaponry available to the ukranians will do significant damage. So its very much a ground war with the old issues of logistics and holding large areas by putting boots on the ground and then supplying that massive area with fuel / food / ammo. That was the issue in WW2 and where the Germans eventually lost essentially due to lack of supply reaching the fronts.

Very true and only a small point but the air support used rockets and not missiles.

 

[Slipper One]

Not sure what this has to do with me.

Because you are the one promoting the myth that all of Russian society has extensive access to unlimited global media information and are at fault for believing the state propaganda.

The intense Russian propaganda machine works right through society and surprisingly even into schools........as it has for generations.

 

[kaz7]

Nato giving more hardware and equipment to protect against bio , chemical and nuclear threats . Moving troops , air and sea to the areas that putin might go into , nato countries , he says this is a new normal in security

 

[AlgarveBlu]

That’s okay. Take your time. No rush.

‘United States is expected to announce plans to welcome up to 100,000 Ukrainian refugees. Details expected in the coming weeks’.@NBC

A dilemma for MAGA as they are all handy with a gun but they have been opposing fascists - Back to the trailer with a for some moonshine to think this one through more carefully

 

[metalblue]

That's what I was thinking......a bunch of twats, they need a kicking.

If Russia was handing the Ukrainian armed forces their arse they’d have already crossed the border. Lukashenko is just a shit Mussolini

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Because you are the one promoting the myth that all of Russian society has extensive access to unlimited global media information and are at fault for believing the state propaganda.

The intense Russian propaganda machine works right through society and surprisingly even into schools........as it has for generations.

I do think things have changed since the pre internet days. They dont have "extensive" access but they do have ccess to more information than ever before. And I do think (Like Trump supporters supporting his coup) that a lot of russians turn a blind eye to their expansionism, its what has kept Putin so popular. Its all fake news nowadays.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

In the small print is a requirement that the person also has to show good judgement, and specifically that they didn’t predict the rags would challenge for the league title this year?

I think that’s a little unfair as I didn’t quite go that far. Was just concerned that they might.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Very true and only a small point but the air support used rockets and not missiles.

 

[wolviedinho]

Boris really is an outcast at European meetings, stood on his own, scruffy fucker tbh.

I would have loved thatcher to have been in power right now, true leader in these times. Today's politicians are comedians and TV personalities.

The Comedian in Ukraine seems to be doing ok.

 

[domalino]

Because you are the one promoting the myth that all of Russian society has extensive access to unlimited global media information and are at fault for believing the state propaganda.

Oh right, that's because they are, and everyone in Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia who were brought up under the USSR propaganda know that everyone was aware it was bullshit.

Those school kids from Russia are going home and getting onto YouTube which is still completely unrestricted in Russia.