Russian invasion of Ukraine

[malg]

Another silly Russian dog. Hopefully more will make the grass grow. Horrible cunts

Behave yourself, not all the Russian soldiers want to be there. Probably never imagined they'd be fighting against soldiers they probably consider allies.

The whole invasion is a shite state of affairs. I'd suggest a lot of Russian soldiers are involved in a war they don't support.

 

[RadcliffeRick]

The Russian mentally is very strange, my wife is Russian living outside of Russia and has access to all media. On the rare occasions we talk about the "special military operation" she refuses to acknowledge that women and children are being killed by the Russians, she tells me that the Ukrainian forces have done it, the Russian soldiers are helping the local people by providing food and protection from Nazis. We don't mention the war now as it ends in a big argument.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The Russian mentally is very strange, my wife is Russian living outside of Russia and has access to all media. On the rare occasions we talk about the "special military operation" she refuses to acknowledge that women and children are being killed by the Russians, she tells me that the Ukrainian forces have done it, the Russian soldiers are helping the local people by providing food and protection from Nazis. We don't mention the war now as it ends in a big argument.

How old is your wife?

And how long has she spent living outside of Russia in that time?

 

[RadcliffeRick]

How old is your wife?

And how long has she spent living outside of Russia in that time?

She is 48 and has lived outside of Russia for 25 years

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The Russian mentally is very strange, my wife is Russian living outside of Russia and has access to all media. On the rare occasions we talk about the "special military operation" she refuses to acknowledge that women and children are being killed by the Russians, she tells me that the Ukrainian forces have done it, the Russian soldiers are helping the local people by providing food and protection from Nazis. We don't mention the war now as it ends in a big argument.

So I guess she sees the western side of news but ignores it? Is she a supporter of putin or patriotic?

 

[RadcliffeRick]

So I guess she sees the western side of news but ignores it? Is she a supporter of putin or patriotic?

She is confused by the worlds Anti-Russian stance, she cannot see that Russia may be (is) in the wrong. She does not comment about Putin only that Russia is a great country that tries to help others.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

She is 48 and has lived outside of Russia for 25 years

Formative years under a communist system and it's education system. If her Russian friends and family also have the communist "don't rock the boat" overhang it's easier to hold on to.

Can't understand it completely myself as I have always been a gobshite with a natural distrust of authority.

It isn't a perfect explanation though, and we have seen in America that smart folks living in a more open society completely taken in by Trump's bollocks.

People generally like the easy simpler narratives even if they don't always add up.

I've seen clips pop up on twitter of Ukrainians whipping people on their bare bottoms, I've assumed that they were punishing collaborators or saboteurs. And that's the explanation. Could be wrong, but I didn't want to spend time trying to corroborate or test this.

And there's limitations of doing that over their Internet and as someone with no journalistic training or experience.

Also saw a clip that claimed to show a Ukranian stabbing someone in a stairwell (no blood), I thought that looks staged. But I didn't bother to check it up.

Was I using critical thinking or the opposite because I chose to pick a narrative explanation and accept without bothering to test it?

In a complex and more interconnected world it is easier, and even essential to just switch off on subjects to help you get through the day. Maybe that's what your wife and other like-minded Russians are doing?

 

[RadcliffeRick]

As you correctly stated, younger years under the old school of education, member of the young pioneers etc. I guess it is deeply engraved on her heart that Russia can do no wrong. Not possible to discuss it though, much easier to keep quiet on this subject:-(

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I've got one Russian friend and she thinks Putin is a ****. She already did before the war though, to be fair.

 

[OnlyOneUweRosler]

Would Ukraine want to provoke Russia at this juncture?

A strange incident that is extremely risky, as a Ukrainian helicopter falling on Russian soil would be met with serious consequences. Selensky has always been about defending, is an attack into Russian territory really his style?

The fact there’s not been immediate reprisals from somebody who’s arse is on the line, says it all.

The Ukrainian helicopter attack into Russia sounds like a bargaining tool. By launching a gutsy attack, they are sending the message they are no longer just defending they are willing to play offence too. With that in mind, they will probably use it as leverage in peace negotiations. Always good to stick one on your opponent before then offering him the chance to have peace.