Russian invasion of Ukraine

[SWP's back]

I think you misunderstood. I’m not saying to trust him. I’m suggesting that Ukraine calls his bluff. Again, how does Ukraine benefit from continuing down its current path? At best, it survives on a fraction of its territory, weaker both economically and militarily, and remains continuously at the threat of further Russian invasion. That may still happen even if it agrees not to join NATO, but at least then it would prove to the world that the war is a territorial grab. And, if there is even the smallest chance that it avoids a bloody conflict, surely Ukraine should take that chance.

The world knows it’s a territorial grab already. No one is falling for Putin’s lies. It’s nothing to do with NATO.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I ain't saying that am i?
All I've said is he's telling everyone to stay out of it.
No fucker wants to bow down to him.
I have a cousin who's been fighting in Avdiivka since 2015 against Russian backed troops.
They certainly ain't bowing down.

And neither should the rest of the world.

Everybody, and nation, has pain points. Now they need to be pushed…and hard!

If Putin is successful in installing a pro-Russian puppet, then we undermine Russia and Ukraine with every tool at our disposal.

Just as no-one really believed Perestroika would eventually dismantle the USSR and create new democracies, so Putin will not be around for ever to hold together his wet dream.

Until that day, western democracies should isolate him and his country in every conceivable way and undermine them while we are at it.

 

[SWP's back]

Ah great. Nice knowing you lot, well, some of you.

 

[Homar]

Good one!

Tell me again…

What egregious action did Ukraine do that “brought about this invasion”?

And, who do they talk to about “negotiating its way out”?

What are you talking about? Where did I say that Ukraine did anything wrong?

 

[Indaparkside]

I think you misunderstood. I’m not saying to trust him. I’m suggesting that Ukraine calls his bluff. Again, how does Ukraine benefit from continuing down its current path? At best, it survives on a fraction of its territory, weaker both economically and militarily, and remains continuously at the threat of further Russian invasion. That may still happen even if it agrees not to join NATO, but at least then it would prove to the world that the war is a territorial grab. And, if there is even the smallest chance that it avoids a bloody conflict, surely Ukraine should take that chance.

Why because my brothers bigger than yours where will he stop you can’t let a bully do as he wants WIN or LOSE

 

[RandomJ]

And if he does, then there will be nothing left of Russia. He’s not that crazy

I actually wonder about that. Something makes me think he wouldn't mind going out like that knowing he's taking the whole world with him.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

And if he does, then there will be nothing left of Russia. He’s not that crazy

There’s not much there now, so it wouldn’t take much!

The most difficult part would be targeting the crap that spread all over the place!

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that!

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Yeah, that Hitler fella had his faults, but boy was he tenacious, organized and good at following through….

SAID NO-ONE EVER!!

WTAF are you thinking? The man is ORDERING THE MURDER OF INNOCENTS TO ADVANCE HIS DESIRE TO TURN BACK THE HISTORICAL CLOCK!!

He is a fucking murderous madman with ZERO redeeming qualities. ZERO!!!

Your right on every front and I totally agree but it's just my opinion of the guy and others like him on a football forum, calm down.

 

[SWP's back]

Exactly.
Putin has been at it for 15 years including invasions of Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine by proxies. He’s shot down an airliner with minimal consequences. He’s launched an information war against the US and U.K. which is likely to have helped enable the election of Trump and maybe swung our EU vote for Brexit. He’s launched a biological attack on the U.K. that killed a U.K. citizen. In the meantime he’s hosted the Winter Olympics and the World Cup. It’s absolutely no surprise to anyone that takes notice that he’s taken this next step. Acceding to any bullshit Russian demands will simply encourage him to go further. If he succeeds in his aims without significant consequence, Georgia and Moldova will be next and we can only hope that the NATO alliance stands firm to prevent him attacking the Baltic states or Poland. It’s now clear where Trump’s disdain for NATO originated. Thank fuck he’s not still in charge in the US. It’s about time some people woke up to what is happening.

This post should be a sticky.

 

[Indaparkside]

There’s not much there now, so it wouldn’t take much!

The most difficult part would be targeting the crap that spread all over the place!

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that!

If and it’s a big if he goes into Poland the shit really would hit the fan all of Europe and the uk will be involved