Russian invasion of Ukraine

[blueinsa]

Nothing - its made up bollock to justify extreme behaviour - our own Culture Sec recently displayed the same level of bullshit with this speech

In his speech on Monday, Dowden sought to suggest that “woke” ideology was weakening the west at a time when it is facing threats from aggressive states such as Russia. “Rogue states are seeking to challenge the international order. And at the precise point when our resolve ought to be strongest, a pernicious new ideology is sweeping our societies,” Dowden said.

“It goes by many names. In Britain, its adherents sometimes describe themselves as ‘social justice warriors’. They claim to be ‘woke’, awakened to the so-called truths of our societies. But wherever they are found, they pursue a common policy inimical to freedom.”

Meanwhile, guess who said this just the other day?

"The US has decided that it is necessary to send US and other Nato troops to Russia’s borders.

"As I have said elsewhere, this alone should tell us that the claims that Russia is the aggressor here should be treated very sceptically.

"The destabilisation of the entire region comes from the continued eastward expansion of Nato.

 

[urban genie]

Watching a few foriegn news channels and a few experts on them saying they think this will be a short incursion,russia will completely destroy the Azov battalion (this is rhe denazification claim) cripple the Ukraine military bases and then pull back to occupy the full Donesk and Luhansk region setting new borders.

Ultimately even if Ukraine isn't fully occupied it will be too weak to ever be more than a buffer zone and eventually russian will get a belarusian puppet goverent installed.

 

[Oldham Exile]

I really can't understand a very wealthy man thinking let's start something that will destabilise the world and potentially lead to his ousting / his death or half the world being blown up by nuclear weapons.
Just sit their quietly with your millions and enjoy the rest of your life spending it quietly....

He appears to be genuinely deranged - which is very very scary

 

[johnnytapia]

It's not a view I share. Appeasement allowed Germany to rearm from 1934, to the extent they laid waste to most of Europe in the three years which commenced WW2.

The war would have been lost until Japan bombed Pearl Harbour.

The mobilisation of the US to be able to fight two major wars in Europe and Japan at the same time, demonstrates the huge output that country was able to afford the war effort.

Hitler taking on the Soviets did us a favour

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Meanwhile, guess who said this just the other day?

"The US has decided that it is necessary to send US and other Nato troops to Russia’s borders.

"As I have said elsewhere, this alone should tell us that the claims that Russia is the aggressor here should be treated very sceptically.

"The destabilisation of the entire region comes from the continued eastward expansion of Nato.

Putin on Russian state TV?

 

[bluesteel]

So, you're for appeasement. And at what point of Putin's imperial aspirations and expansion would you say "enough is enough"?

I said already, I’d have done more to prevent this such as allowing nord stream 2 and giving Russia NATOs missile defence system, I think NATO should also have invited Russia to join every time a former eastern block nation joined.

Basically NATO should have appeased Russia IMO. If an offer to join NATO was made, and refused, and if an offer of a defence system was made, to make them feel less nervous, and they moved their troops to the Ukrainian border, I would have offered Ukraine emergency NATO membership and rolled the NATO troops into Ukraine. Maybe that would have caused a war between NATO and Russia and that’s why it wasn’t done? Either way my heart goes out to all the Ukrainians and they are very much caught in the middle.

We’re now in a situation where Ukraine is fucked, we’ve got a pissed off country on our doorstep with nuclear weapons, and we’re talking about sanctions, which are an act of war in my opinion (cutting from swift specifically).

I don’t think NATO could have fucked this up any more if they tried.

My biggest worry now is a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, because a China, Russia, North Korea alliance is the worst case scenario here.

The best case scenario is that Russia finish doing what they are now executing, and come to the table.

NATO obviously need to defend her borders but I’d avoid any large build up of troops at borders.

You can’t just say enough is enough here, we just defend NATO borders and we wait for talks to resume.

We should be building renewables at record speed and potentially fracking in the interim NOW, I would nationalise it and sell it off later. Those are the economic sanctions I would put in place, non-aggressive and will hit them where it hurts.

Any sanctions need to be against the Russian government, not directly at it’s people (I get they’ll be punished indirectly but they can emigrate).

I want the EU and US to slowly reduce trade with Russia, with any future trade agreements dependant on Ukraine being liberated.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Russian troops already in Kharkiv (Kharkov) - no surprise as its not far from the Russian border. Kiev isn't that much further from the Belarusian border.
It will probably be better defended though - especially on the West Bank of the river Dnieper

 

[mexico1970]

Meanwhile, guess who said this just the other day?

"The US has decided that it is necessary to send US and other Nato troops to Russia’s borders.

"As I have said elsewhere, this alone should tell us that the claims that Russia is the aggressor here should be treated very sceptically.

"The destabilisation of the entire region comes from the continued eastward expansion of Nato.

It's either a Corbynism or a Mister Tumblism that's been on the Columbian marching powder.

 

[west didsblue]

There is always the Baltic sea or the Northern approaches.

Indeed, however proximity to Sevastopol was the example suggested.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

My overriding fear is sort of borne out of the current pandemic?

Western society, or should I say, a significant cross section of it, will think, 'I'm alright, Jack', it's only Ukraine?