Russian invasion of Ukraine

[metalblue]

I think their real threat long term will be China and that will be enough to justify their defence spending.

This 'war' has shown that the old strategies really don't cut the mustard anymore, it's all about investment in modern technology.

Agreed. This will probably give the Chinese pause for thought given their stuff is largely based on Russian designs even if they’ve taken it on a generation. Russia probably won’t learn any lessons from this debacle but the Chinese will.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Another Russian BTG, the 144th Guards Motor Rifle Division, is reported to have ceased to exist.

The Ukrainian Army Reportedly Destroyed Another Russian Division

These losses are unsustainable for the Russian army—and explain why the Kremlin is willing to risk widespread unrest as it forcibly drafts 300,000 men and speeds them to the Ukrainian front line with as little as a day of training.

www.forbes.com

 

[metalblue]

Totally get what you're saying but.... propaganda and being brainwashed are things that it are very difficult to counter. I think the Russian people can only hear what their saviour (the State) tells them.

I know a couple of Russians who are westernised and even they believe Putin is doing what he is doing in the name of saving their "glorious" country.

I am pleased to see that this worm is definitely beginning to turn though. I cannot hate the Russian people... just the people at the top.

It’s not Putin raping and murdering unarmed civilians though mate. It’s not going to be all Russians but there is something fucked up in their DNA

 

[MCFC1993]

And Putin thinks these people have a chance?

Or is he just picking and choosing demographics in Russia that he wants to get rid of?

 

[Bill Walker]

And Putin thinks these people have a chance?

Or is he just picking and choosing demographics in Russia that he wants to get rid of?

He's probably just getting rid of people who hate him, like Stalin did (reports of up to 60 million in his case)

 

[The Colonel]

I would normally remind people that this is Putin's war, and that the average Russian probably hates him as much as we do. That the Russian people in general are decent people just trying to live their lives.

The only problem i've got is that i've yet to meet a decent Russian in real life. The ones i've met so far are absolute twats. I thought it might be because the main ones i've met are through my work. And they tend to be wealthy etc.

I try to look through propaganda, and just see the human costs. But i'm sorry, i just cannot see anything decent about the entire Russian population. They have been totally ruined by generation after generation of state control. That state control they have been happily supporting when it suited their needs.

It's too late that they are now rising up against the war. They were happy when it didn't affect them directly.
My only regret is that those who have committed war crimes will never get punished unless the entire Russian regime collapses.

So still little sympathy for the cannon fodder being sent to their deaths...

I’ve met plenty of decent Russians personally and for those not duped or scared into silence by this regime I still hope that they get their chance to overthrow it.

 

[metalblue]

I’ve met plenty of decent Russians personally and for those not duped or scared into silence by this regime I still hope that they get their chance to overthrow it.

Whilst I’d love to see that back of Putin they’d only end up putting another of his ilk in power, the place is corrupt and the oligarchs aren’t about to give up there raping of the place for a democratic future.

 

[RadcliffeRick]

Scum, saying they should get the 1 million unemployed of Moscow and make them go to war instead of people with jobs ect.

Both are very vocal knowing that the guy is too old and the womans kids are too young, I am sure if her kids were older and got a call up notice she would do anything to prevent them from going

 

[RadcliffeRick]

Out of 146m, i'm sure there is the odd decent one...or maybe even two if you look hard enough!

I married a great one so that leaves only one other to find!!

 

[dickie davies]

I married a great one so that leaves only one other to find!!

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