Russian invasion of Ukraine

bluesteel said:
Sure and Putin probably is a megalomaniac.

Russia have had a military base in Crimea for centuries, it’s where they have their Black Sea fleet, and is of massive strategic import should the need come for them to defend themselves.

Since the break up of the USSR Russia have leased the naval base from Ukraine.

When it looked like the Ukrainian people wanted to join the EU and more pertinently NATO it would have meant Russia losing the naval base and having a US naval base there in it’s place.

There was also the likelihood of a US military base and missile system going into Ukraine.

These are the facts as I see them.

When Russia lost its puppet president in Ukraine in the 2014 coup, the writing was on the wall that they would join NATO as they were provisionally accepted in 2008.

Almost instantaneously they annexed Crimea, there was no way that the Russians were going to give up their strategic naval base and have a US naval base replace it, the thought of that to the Russia admirals would have been incomprehensible.

Again, straight after the pro Russian president was ousted in a violent coup in Ukraine, fighting broke out in the East of the country, where it is mainly Russian speaking and not Ukrainian speaking, where it is mainly pro Russian and not pro European. This suited Putin as it meant Ukraine couldn’t join NATO, the Ukrainian army went into the east and the Russian army went into the west, a ceasefire was agreed and there was an agreement signed.

The Russian rebels held Ukrainian land in the east, and it had by an largely died down by 2021.

Russia approached NATO, and said to NATO that they want Crimea recognised as Russian and also guarantees that Ukraine will not become a US military base by being in NATO.

NATO refused. Why? Russia moved their troops to the Ukraine border, they were clearly saying in further negotiations if you do not give us guarantees, we will invade. NATO said no, why? Why would a defensive alliance, both allow and cause the invasion of Ukraine? I’m not talking about Ukraine joining the EU here, Russia were perfectly happy for them to join the EU this is about losing Sevastopol to the US and NATO and not having a US military base in Ukraine. Why do the US need military bases and missiles next to Russia?

Honestly I’m sick of NATO and the US they are jeopardising our security not enhancing it. Seriously what next? Asking Taiwan to join?
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Interesting 2nd to last paragraph. Maybe.

your paragraph about ‘it dying down’ is completely false, it’s been ramping up - saw a graph about incidents and there are rises and falls with the seasons, but the trend was always increasing.
 
blueinsa said:
Let’s all hope Pakistan and China don’t decide to take your sovereignty away one day and you demand everyone takes your side.

Expect you to speak up like the vast majority of the democratic world? Yes.
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The UK and the Europe are continuing to trade with Russia. The only real difference between us and India really are a few empty words from Johnson. That and we have banned his airline.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Thats an incisive piece of analysis mate. Thanks for educating us.

Which bits do you take issue with and why?
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The US has been at war 225 out of 243 years since 1776, since 1939 a total of 62 countries have gained independence from the United Kingdom.

Don't get me wrong, all the "big" countries are, practically, the same in the eyes of "small" countries, and if you are on top, you gonna have to pulverize your enemies to stay on top, I get that, even small countries, when they get their chance, will behave in the same manner.
But preaching this shit like we good them bad is childish and lame.
City fans are well aware of the propaganda machine used against City and it's only fucking football, imagine how's it been used for something more serious...
Anyway, the outrage we're feeling now is the outrage we should feel when the United States bombs or occupies a country, which is seemingly every other day.
The US and UK position on Ukraine might be taken more seriously if both countries hadn't spent the entire post-WWII period making a mockery of international law.
As US/NATO hegemony is waning globally, in the future, I expect most of it's power is going to be used against their own citizens.
I generally don't care about politics and I wish we could all be friends, except bindippers, fuck them.
And lastly, my friends, I just watched a video of a woman fucking a bed post. This is a magical time we live in.

Cheers.
 
JASR said:
Interesting 2nd to last paragraph. Maybe.

your paragraph about ‘it dying down’ is completely false, it’s been ramping up - saw a graph about incidents and there are rises and falls with the seasons, but the trend was always increasing.
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I’ll stand corrected on that, I’ve just not read much about it and made an assumption the lines were drawn and they weren’t moving.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The UK and the Europe are continuing to trade with Russia. The only real difference between us and India really are a few empty words from Johnson. That and we have banned his airline.
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I think that’s disingenuous mate tbh.

Along with the US and EU the sanctions packages amount to far more than just empty words and if the Germans allow the EU to come in line with us re swift then it’s almost game over for Russia economically wise.

NATO as things stand can not come up against Russia for very obvious reasons.
 


So many videos on the ground from this Eastern European news channel. If you can't handle gore don't scroll down some of their vids.
 
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