Russian invasion of Ukraine

[SPIDERBOY]

Demented.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

If we do it I think it will set a precident for all Nato countries to join in.

but I cant see us doing it without NATO say so.

Confusing picture as I thought the Germans had green lighted their Leopalds which would set that precedent you'd think. Logistics on training, spare supplies and maintenance will be interesting

How many can we spare I wonder?

I think we only have about 200 in service.

Not sure - Google says 227 Challengers available - can't see any immediate need for the UK to have that many unless Sturgeon goes full William Wallace on England.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

How many can we spare I wonder?

I think we only have about 200 in service.

10 apparently.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[grunge]

Confusing picture as I thought the Germans had green lighted their Leopalds which would set that precedent you'd think. Logistics on training, spare supplies and maintenance will be interesting

I think Germany has since said they wont send them as No other NATO country has sent western made MBT's.

It will only take 1 to go against NATO Docterine 1 to open the flood gates through I reckon.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

I think Germany has since said they wont send them as No other NATO country has sent western made MBT's.

It will only take 1 to go against NATO Docterine 1 to open the flood gates through I reckon.

Still can't fathom the difference between HIMARS being provided for example versus Western tanks in terms of red lines for military hardware.

You could argue at a stretch NATO planes piloted by Ukranians may end up in russian airspace for whatever reason. Could be to do with the lead time to get them to be able to competently operate a Challenger/Leopald versus an F class fighter jet.

 

[crooky]

As a former leader of the Soviet 'spies' I bet Putin would love that face recognition technology.

Both can do one in my opinion .

 

[BlueAnorak]

If we do it I think it will set a precident for all Nato countries to join in.

but I cant see us doing it without NATO say so.

It's not NATO standard tech. Rifled barrel, not smoth bore, HESH hi-ex rounds were devastatingly effective against Russian equipment in gulf war mind.
We ourselves are moving to smooth bore for Challenger 3, which Challenger 2 with a new turret and auto loader.

 

[Blue.Roys.Son]

10 apparently.

Slava Ukraini.

I suppose looking at how the Challanger performed against Russian made tanks in the gulf War then 10 may still do a lot of damage for the Ukrainians

 

[BlueAnorak]

Still can't fathom the difference between HIMARS being provided for example versus Western tanks in terms of red lines for military hardware.

You could argue at a stretch NATO planes piloted by Ukranians may end up in russian airspace for whatever reason. Could be to do with the lead time to get them to be able to competently operate a Challenger/Leopald versus an F class fighter jet.

Russia capturing a tank and taking it to pieces is a lot more likely than capturing an MLRS lauch vehicle (M270 or HIMARS)

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Good little clip from the MOD of the joint training exercises

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1612457937074622464%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=