Russian invasion of Ukraine

[roubaixtuesday]

Russians playing the nuke threat if they lose the war

They've already lost, so it's not much of a threat!

 

[East Level 2]

Why in earth would Ukraine go through all this only to give up their sovereignty to a load of unelected bureaucrats in a soon-to-collapse EU? I thought they were shedding blood for their independence?

Perhaps they don't have politicians with the wisdom of Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Gove, Farage and the rest of the clowns.

 

[Eebo]

Why in earth would Ukraine go through all this only to give up their sovereignty to a load of unelected bureaucrats in a soon-to-collapse EU? I thought they were shedding blood for their independence?

Benefits trade perhaps?

 

[The Colonel]

it looks like Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. when they lay down thousands to take these towns and afterwards in couple of months they got Kharkiv counter offensive. now they lost even more trying to take Bakhmut and afterwards they'll lose the East.

No room for vanity in war. Bakhmut has been Wagner's trophy to wave at Putin. Hopefully the cracks appearing are not only in the Russian front line.

 

[Kompany Car]

I'd like to see the list of the 19, if anyone has it/link. And the 33

Can only find against...

I know Marcel de graaff is Dutch far right and spoke out previously, saying the EU was anti Russian. Would guess the rest are his mates.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Russians playing the nuke threat if they lose the war

You love a nuke post.

 

[Kompany Car]

All of those who voted against were or currently are part of a right wing populist group called Identity and Democracy in the EU parliament.

Gunnar Beck - part of the EU-Russia parliamentary cooperation committee

Hynek Blasko - old ex Czech General, has history for liking corrupt regimes, voted against condemning the president of Nicaragua (Ortega) for human rights violations.

Maximilian Krah - German, seems to be connected to a number of corruption scandals.

Tiziana Beghin - Italian, part of the 5 star far right party.

Francesca Donato - pro Russian, got kicked out of her party for opposing EU Digital COVID cert policy.

Herve Juvin - French Far Right, convicted in 2019 of domestic violence.

I could go on but you get the gist.

The only exceptions are the far Left, Socialist anti war bunch Daly, Demirel etc.

Reading Wiki, Clare Daly (Irish, probably a dipper or rag fan) has a track record on being very pro Russia. Supported a woman who was accused of spying for Russia, wanted amendments softening resolutions on russia following them shooting down Malaysia Airlined flight 17 etc

 

[CTID1977]

 

[BlueAnorak]

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is not completely sure that Russian dictator Vladimir Putin is still alive.

Source: Zelensky during a speech at the Ukrainian breakfast in Davos

Quote: "I don't quite understand who to talk to and about what. I'm not sure that the Russian president who sometimes appears against a green-screen chromakey is actually the one. I don't quite understand if he is alive or whether he makes decisions, or whoever else makes decisions there. What group of people [could be making any decisions in Russia]? I don’t have that kind of information. I don't quite understand how you can promise European leaders one thing, and the next day launch a full-scale invasion of a country. I just don't quite understand with whom we are dealing. When we say "peace talks", I don't quite understand with whom [we should be negotiating]. We are talking to you now: you know exactly who I am, and I know exactly who you are. There are witnesses to the fact that we are alive. And even if we talk about different things, we can reach a consensus. It seems to me that Russia should first find ‘someone’ and then suggest ‘something’ [perhaps Zelenskyy is referring to Putin coming forward and agreeing to Ukraine's conditions so as to end the war – ed.]."
Details: The President emphasised that Ukraine did everything to liberate its territories through diplomacy, and peace negotiations are not yet peace per se.

Oooo...
A real life version of Colin Forbes "Leader and the Damned". Cracking book BTW, based on old Adolf diing in a plane crash on the Eastern front in early 1943 and a body double controlled by the Kremlin through their "spy" Martin Bormann taking over...

Plot rather damaged by the fact that Bormnan's corpse was conclusively identifed by DNA testing in 1998. A cracking book nontheless.

 

[SilverFox2]

Oooo...
A real life version of Colin Forbes "Leader and the Damned"

When the iron curtain came down all those years ago many companies tried to trade with Russia. Most were unsuccessful finding middle men everywhere.
Mafia ruled but even they had imposters within. Very few continued their operations there returning with cash belts emptied.

The whole Country is riddled with corruption so why should its leaders not be masters of evil?