Russian invasion of Ukraine

Any breakup of Russia into a number of smaller yet all nuclear armed states would likely appear as a worse scenario to all outsiders, probably the same applies to the idea of a perpetually Rogue Russia. Whereas the way to end the war from within is fairly simply = Putin out. The more likely scenario is that the elite enabling Putin would safe their beans with some change at the top, forced if needed, at the end of the day it wouldn't be too hard to pass this whole war off as "Putin's Idea", "Putins fault" and while that might not change much to Russias leadership, for the west this would likely suffice (from a stoic and pragmatic pov) if it also comes with a withdrawel of the Russian army from Ukraine and some further settlements trough peace negotiations. It's rather that it would be expected that for the Russian leadership it would be easiest to sell a defeat in Ukraine domesticly "as long as they can all blame it on Putin", while still being able to retain their own interrests.

I'm pretty sure btw that China, although having expressed some support to Russia, also made a threat to Russia so to refrain from using nukes in an offensive fashion. It never benifits an outside nuclear power to see the potential of a global nuclear exchange increase for a matter that is not of their national interrest. One of the best example's of such restraint to Nuclear warfare is imho Brittains war with Argentina over the falklands, as it is really the only scenario in which a non nuclear power dared declaring war on a Nuclear power. Afaik, the USA did support the Uk to some extend, though on the understanding that no nukes would be used, the more so because it appeared as a "geographicly limited conflict, with limited stakes". Why did the Uk not threaten to nuke Beunos Aires, starting off by vaporizing some smaller Argentinian town or some army base as example, and rather risk sending a task force on a somewhat hairy mission? Even taking in mind that this was a defensive war for the UK.
The difference is that the UK is a (reasonably) civilised country that respects the right to life. ruSSia is the total opposite.
 
Any breakup of Russia into a number of smaller yet all nuclear armed states would likely appear as a worse scenario to all outsiders, probably the same applies to the idea of a perpetually Rogue Russia. Whereas the way to end the war from within is fairly simply = Putin out. The more likely scenario is that the elite enabling Putin would safe their beans with some change at the top, forced if needed, at the end of the day it wouldn't be too hard to pass this whole war off as "Putin's Idea", "Putins fault" and while that might not change much to Russias leadership, for the west this would likely suffice (from a stoic and pragmatic pov) if it also comes with a withdrawel of the Russian army from Ukraine and some further settlements trough peace negotiations. It's rather that it would be expected that for the Russian leadership it would be easiest to sell a defeat in Ukraine domesticly "as long as they can all blame it on Putin", while still being able to retain their own interrests.

I'm pretty sure btw that China, although having expressed some support to Russia, also made a threat to Russia so to refrain from using nukes in an offensive fashion. It never benifits an outside nuclear power to see the potential of a global nuclear exchange increase for a matter that is not of their national interrest. One of the best example's of such restraint to Nuclear warfare is imho Brittains war with Argentina over the falklands, as it is really the only scenario in which a non nuclear power dared declaring war on a Nuclear power. Afaik, the USA did support the Uk to some extend, though on the understanding that no nukes would be used, the more so because it appeared as a "geographicly limited conflict, with limited stakes". Why did the Uk not threaten to nuke Beunos Aires, starting off by vaporizing some smaller Argentinian town or some army base as example, and rather risk sending a task force on a somewhat hairy mission? Even taking in mind that this was a defensive war for the UK.

Using nuclear weapons in the falklands conflict would have been completely disproportionate and political suicide. You’ve only got to see the back lash from some quarters for sinking the belgrano - a legitimate military target to understand we would never be able to use our nukes unless it was to respond to an inbound nuclear threat (ie a launch had occurred or was considered likely to).

I doubt very much the US had to stipulate we were not to use nukes.
 
Thanks for all the updates everyone. Add a few myself when I find some interesting stuff.

Question, if anyone has an idea?

How downgraded is the Russian army in reality? Nuclear missiles aside, they‘ve still got a substantial airforce and navy. They must have 100,000’s of troops still in reserve as they’ve been using prisoners and recruits as canon fodder. I appreciate their tanks and other vechicles have taken a pounding since the war started. Many thanks if anyone can answer the question.
Not sure anyone knows the answer to that and the state the Russians appear to be in , maybe they don't even know themselves.

So much propaganda going on in this war.
 
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Using nuclear weapons in the falklands conflict would have been completely disproportionate and political suicide. You’ve only got to see the back lash from some quarters for sinking the belgrano - a legitimate military target to understand we would never be able to use our nukes unless it was to respond to an inbound nuclear threat (ie a launch had occurred or was considered likely to).

I doubt very much the US had to stipulate we were not to use nukes.
The backlash over the Belgrano is that she was sunk whilst outside the exclusion area set up
 
I doubt very much the US had to stipulate we were not to use nukes.

I think the Uk had self restraint sure. But it also seems reasonable that the US would want to have a say in what was allowed in that regard given that 80's USA would have certaintly considered South America it's backyard. Point is, you'd barely have the time to consider using one before other nuclear powers would give feedback as what they would think to be acceptable .. and what might prompt a reaction by them.
 
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