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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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This one is a bit of a silly take. For the most part kit had been provided to Ukraine as fast as possible. No country has 100% of it’s armoury functional at any time, especially kit bring cycled out….
As for the newer tech, it’s not a 5 minute process to provide, not least due to training requirements, as well as the need to safeguard the secrets of the tech and its operation when some inevitably falls into Russian hands.
It’s great to live in a utopia where Ukraine says we want ‘x’ and end of the week it’s in operation in-country but some realism is needed.
The Stockport Iniesta
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It took ages to supply Cruise Missiles, Tanks and Ukraine could easily have been promised fast jet's much earlier. Only now the Yanks are promising atacms, that could have happened before the offensive started as well.This one is a bit of a silly take. For the most part kit had been provided to Ukraine as fast as possible. No country has 100% of it’s armoury functional at any time, especially kit bring cycled out….
As for the newer tech, it’s not a 5 minute process to provide, not least due to training requirements, as well as the need to safeguard the secrets of the tech and its operation when some inevitably falls into Russian hands.
It’s great to live in a utopia where Ukraine says we want ‘x’ and end of the week it’s in operation in-country but some realism is needed.
BlueAnorak
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Yeah but who do you believe. I have yet to see Ukraine lie about gains but Russia lies about them 80% of the time and they're fairly quickly proven to be bollox if they are lying.Yep claimed Russian gains but by the same note Ukraine’s also say “claimed gains”. This gain wasnt there yesterday morning when I checked.
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They spout shit to the Russian people,we all know that.....destroying this,that and the other.Yeah but who fo you believe. I have yet to see Ikraine lie about gains but Russia lies about them 80% of the time and they're fairly quickly proven to be bollox if they are lying.
They destroyed multiple equipment,before it even arrived in Ukraine.
They tell them they are fighting NATO,as well as Ukraine.
Only yesterday,they claimed to have destroyed a Leopard tank,along with all its German crew.
Slava Ukraini.
3 months training to use Taurus missiles.It took ages to supply Cruise Missiles, Tanks and Ukraine could easily have been promised fast jet's much earlier. Only now the Yanks are promising atacms, that could have happened before the offensive started as well.
Slava Ukraini.
The Stockport Iniesta
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Any idea if and when the training starts?3 months training to use Taurus missiles.
Slava Ukraini.
gordondaviesmoustache
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I smell bull.3 months training to use Taurus missiles.
Slava Ukraini.
No mate,will try and find out though.Any idea if and when the training starts?
Slava Ukraini.
Taking tanks as an example, the delay/staggering in getting them into Ukraine this summer was because in most cases they had been decommissioned by the finishing countries and so had to be refurbished first. The frankly hilarious videos of choppers left behind in Afghanistan falling out of the sky give you an example of the usefulness of decommissioned tech, without the refurbs Ukrainians would’ve been killed using them.It took ages to supply Cruise Missiles, Tanks and Ukraine could easily have been promised fast jet's much earlier. Only now the Yanks are promising atacms, that could have happened before the offensive started as well.
On planes and missiles, real life isn’t Call of Duty, they need to be trained or else you’re giving £bn of paper weights. On F16s, the US had been saying for months they’re ready to start training and Ukraine needs to put up the pilots…
Ukraine put up pilots for Gripen training and it’s a matter of time before they get some, but again, Saab and Flygvappnet need to ensure Sukhoi won’t be bringing a questionable clone to market next year.