Russian invasion of Ukraine

[mosssideblue]

Actually you were arguing quite stridently about Russian military superiority which Ukraine would be unable to resist, so less of the Mystic Meg Billy Big Bollocks.

Careful. You'll join us on his banned list with aggression like that:)

 

[inbetween]

How do people think this war will end? With a total victory for Ukraine? Events on the ground suggest that this is extremely unlikely. So the war goes on and Ukrainians continue to die in large numbers indefinitely? This is totally unsustainable. As some of us were arguing from the start.

It's quite obvious that there is a real risk that Trump is going to get in again this year. If that happens then all bets are off and I'd expect that this is why Putin has conducted this interview. It looks to me that Russia is slowing its advances because it is biding its time and resources waiting for the right political environment to continue the war at full pelt.

This interview by Putin is all about aligning his narrative with what could happen in the US election. The US and Europe right now is exceptionally anti-Russian and he needs to change that. With Europe that's very unlikely to happen compared to the US but Russia is fighting a military based war and Europe actually has far less weight militarily. He isn't going to alter Europe but he clearly can influence the US through its next president.

Let's face it, Europe is not resourced militarily to help Ukraine in a similar fashion to the US. US support of NATO is key if NATO is to support Ukraine. This puts the US election into the crosshairs for Putin. Trump is critical of NATO and would likely take a more isolated approach and that would be extremely beneficial to Putin.

Obviously the war will end with either Russian retreat or the fall of Ukraine. It seems though that Russia will only retreat when Putin is no longer in power and Ukraine will only fall if it loses support. At the moment I think the latter is more likely but it's still unlikely because Europe and the US won't want to be seen to fail.

This war isn't going to end anytime soon unfortunately.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Oh look we have another one of Putin's pets to play with. Amazing how it's always the ones with low post counts.

I wondered where Ernst Stavro Blofeld's cat was during Tucker's "Interview" it turns out it was on here.

 

[BlueAnorak]

How do people think this war will end? With a total victory for Ukraine? Events on the ground suggest that this is extremely unlikely. So the war goes on and Ukrainians continue to die in large numbers indefinitely? This is totally unsustainable. As some of us were arguing from the start.

With Putin in power, and the fact that he can't be trusted, this war can only end if...
- Russia is victorious militarily.
- The cost of waging this war is so high to Russia that Putin is forced out of power and someone else takes over who has the capability to negotiate.
There are no other viable alternatives. Do you know of any?

 

[hgblue]

Yes, a negotiated settlement. Will involve some painful concessions by the Ukrainian side, but compared to losing a generation of young people this would seem preferable to me. However, if the Ukrainian people want to carry on fighting I respect that and wish them well. Just don't think this war is headed for the happy ending most on here would like to see.

 

[b6_brum]

Yes, a negotiated settlement. Will involve some painful concessions by the Ukrainian side, but compared to losing a generation of young people this would seem preferable to me. However, if the Ukrainian people want to carry on fighting I respect that and wish them well. Just don't think this war is headed for the happy ending most on here would like to see.

Respectfully, I don't think most people expect a happy ending. We are well past the stage now.

But what do you expect of Ukraine, to give up more territory because Putin feels like taking it? How long until he comes further West again? It appears to me, the same people who claimed Russia was never going to invade Ukraine are now claiming that if you give him a bit more land it will keep him happy.

It's obvious what his thoughts on Ukraine are, he stated it very clearly when he announced his 'special military operation', he doesn't believe it should exist. And if it is to exist, it exists under his control. What sort of hope is that for millions of young Ukrainians who desire so much for the freedoms of the West that we take for granted? Do we just throw them to a dictator because he wants it, what cost is this causing the West? We aren't paying in blood, we pay in Military Aid that either directly or indirectly gets spent regardless. So why not give it to the worthy of the most worthy causes? An inspiring democratic nation fighting for it's existance.

 

[grunge]

It depends who has the will to last the longest. In reality, if the west had the will to continue supporting an ally, we could bring Russia to it's knees. It's economy is on life support through a war time economy, this will keep it going for a couple of years but is not sustainable long term. It just isn't.

The west's commitment to this war is virtually nothing. The USA would spend more destroying old stock. They don't send them their latest equipment, it's a win win without sending a single soldier to go and do the dirty work. The problem the West has is a lack of resolve, I guess that's natural of living in a democracy. Governments can change and alternative voices exist with a platform, as opposed to filthy dictatorships that murder and imprison everybody against them.

We have paid agents such as Tucker Carlson free to spread filthy dictators lies and misinformation for millions to view, if he was on the other side doing the opposite he'd be in deep Siberia by now.

As long as Ukraine have the desire to fight for their existence, we should back them to the hilt, otherwise History will not judge us favourably.

Exactly this. If Ukraine want to fight, we should do everything to support them. Ultimately its there choice to negotiate or fight.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Yes, a negotiated settlement. Will involve some painful concessions by the Ukrainian side, but compared to losing a generation of young people this would seem preferable to me. However, if the Ukrainian people want to carry on fighting I respect that and wish them well. Just don't think this war is headed for the happy ending most on here would like to see.

Europe tried that with Hitler in 1930s, remember how that turned out??

 

[cleavers]

Yes, a negotiated settlement. Will involve some painful concessions by the Ukrainian side

...and the next time, 3 years down the road, same again, and the same again, rinse and repeat, until there is no Ukraine ? What then, let them have a bit of Poland, Finland ?

People like you are clueless, and forget this started in 2014, when he renaiged on previous agreements, not 2022 when you woke up one morning with a country in Europe being invaded illegally.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Appeasement of dictators never ends well, some people never learn.