Russian invasion of Ukraine

It was certainly news at the time that "peace talks" broke down after Johnson's trip to Ukraine

That doesn't necessarily mean he sabotaged it though. Of course from Russia's side they're going to say that if they believe on what they want, then to their side it seems like sabotage.


Exactly what the propopsed peace agreement actually entailed is another matter altogether, and I don't imagine anyone in the public or media have any real knowledge of the in depth details of that.

I do believe Putin was being somewhat honest in the basics of that though. It was in our media at the time in 2022 that talks broke down after Johnson visited Ukraine. To suggest they broke down means at least they were talking and making some possible headway up until Boris went there.

As to why they broke down, nobody could honestly give you real answer until they see all the documents of the proposed peace agreement. I doubt it was as simple as Johnson rocking up in Ukraine and telling them to sod it and keep fighting, but that's how Putin essentially described it. The more likely scenario is the proposed agreement was heavily in the favour of Russia.

All Putin said was Johnson advised them it was better to keep fighting Russia. Let's say that's true, then why not go into details of why Johnson said that? Or why he thinks he said that? It was strange that he only gave that simple statement. If he believes that to be the case, he must have theories why that he would like to share to make his case.

He's clearly a knowledgeable man with a very good knowledge of history and was able to speak on many topics with clarity, yet he basically shut up shop on some things. No doubt an intelligent man but equally as calculated. He spoke for two hours without really saying a lot in the end.
What makes you think Putin is a knowledgeable man with a very good knowledge of history on many topics? What evidence do you have for this statement?

Have you ever heard him actually debate something or even be questioned by someone impartial ?
 
here's the facts from history for kremlin ****

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The thing is that could be true about Johnson.

I don’t buy that from the liar Putin, Johnson may well have said we will support you but if Putin could produce the document that was on the table fair enough but Zellenskyi has proven to be a strong leader from day one the people were not prepared to give in, who can forget the early days of the war I know I have not
Johnson took advantage of improving his street standing the pics of him marching the streets of Kiev never to be forgotten
 
Yes, a negotiated settlement. Will involve some painful concessions by the Ukrainian side, but compared to losing a generation of young people this would seem preferable to me. However, if the Ukrainian people want to carry on fighting I respect that and wish them well. Just don't think this war is headed for the happy ending most on here would like to see.
surely a none painful settlement is for Russia to get the hell out of Ukraine.

A generation of young people, seems small beer to the wiping out of the entire Ukrainian culture which far pre-dates ‘Russia’.

there’s hardly any Tatar culture left in Crimea due to ‘Russia’ (deportation/forced assimilation/destruction of history) and again that culture far pre-dates ‘Russia’.

I can’t remember any poster on here who ‘supports’ Ukraine, thinking there is any happy ending going to happen, baring the natural death of a single Russian man.
 
What was on the table regarding the peace talks and Johnson's role as messenger boy has already been confirmed on the Ukraine side.




 
Putin never gets questioned or held to account, we have no idea how he would actually react to a debate with someone like Biden as he is use to having it all his own way. I reckon he would get angry very quickly like most little short syndrome dictators.
Did watch the BBC documentary just watch him with his own people when asking if they backed Donbas saying its Russian, they arexshitting themselves and you can see Putin thinking this fucker is finding a 6th floor window soon. It’s going to take some serious balls to oust him,only the military can do that.
 

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