Russian invasion of Ukraine

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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Looks like they’ve seriously bottled the assault on Moscow…

 

[halfcenturyup]

They could have said knob, but i translated!

Just not having a bot from China spouted righteousness, when his country is funding/arming a country attacking a smaller country. All in the pursuit of cheap fuel/oil or money. The west is helping a smaller country DEFEND itself against aggression. So our arming/funding is not the same. I would be on the streets protesting if we supported similar. (good luck with that in "free" China)

And it's not just China. India should also be ashamed. There are also many others including Arab states.
I have no problem governments enriching their own country. Just not at the DIRECT expense of killing innocent civilians. Saying "but we are poor", or "it's just business" is no excuse.
That blood is directly on their hands. We will not forget this once the Ukraine has won...

Won't forget? What will happen is what always happens when this is all over. Each country will take whatever it can from it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Extracts from Zelensky's TV address last night:

Britain’s leadership in efforts to aid Ukraine has “unfortunately slowed down,” according to Volodymyr Zelensky.
The Ukrainian leader acknowledged that Britain’s leadership, both politically and militarily, had “saved thousands of lives” since the war began. However, he said this leadership has since slowed.
Mr Zelensky said that it is “crucial” for Ukraine’s allies to “remove barriers that hinder us from weakening Russian positions in the way this war demands.”
He added: “Long-range capabilities are the answer to the most critical strategic questions of this war.”

Volodymyr is never backwards at saying the way it is - and not one for diplomatic nicities.
Very sad rhough.
Especially as Starmer did promise to continue UK support for Ukraine.
Clearly not quite the truth - it has dropped down two or three notches.

It rather confirms my opinion that the west as a whole doesn't want Ukraine to win - they just don't want Ukraine to be defeated - which sort of condemns Ukraine to a forever war.

 

[uwerosler28]

They could have said knob, but i translated!

Just not having a bot from China spouted righteousness, when his country is funding/arming a country attacking a smaller country. All in the pursuit of cheap fuel/oil or money. The west is helping a smaller country DEFEND itself against aggression. So our arming/funding is not the same. I would be on the streets protesting if we supported similar. (good luck with that in "free" China)

And it's not just China. India should also be ashamed. There are also many others including Arab states.
I have no problem governments enriching their own country. Just not at the DIRECT expense of killing innocent civilians. Saying "but we are poor", or "it's just business" is no excuse.
That blood is directly on their hands. We will not forget this once the Ukraine has won...

India currently hoovering up large quantities of oil, re branding it and selling it on to Europe who know exactly where it came from so who is in the wrong? India are providing a service to those countries in the west more than happy to still fund Russia but don't want to be seen doing it directly.

 

[west didsblue]

Extracts from Zelensky's TV address last night:

Very sad.
Starmer did promise to continue UK support for Ukraine.
Clearly not quite the truth.

When you look at the actual speech the main takeaway is that he’s asking to be able to use certain long range weapons (Storm Shadow) which Starmer tried to authorise a month ago without gaining the necessary agreement from international partners. Let’s hope he gets this agreement and provides the necessary authorisation.
Unsurprisingly the Telegraph is doing its best to imply Starmer/Labour are less supportive than the previous government when it’s clear that Zelenskyy is doing what he’s rightly done regularly from the start of the war which is put pressure on the West to provide what he needs. This time it was Starmer’s turn to be on the receiving end of this pressure.

 

[1894southstander]

Not sure how true this is but wouldn't suprise me

 

[BlueAnorak]

When you look at the actual speech the main takeaway is that he’s asking to be able to use certain long range weapons (Storm Shadow) which Starmer tried to authorise a month ago without gaining the necessary agreement from international partners. Let’s hope he gets this agreement and provides the necessary authorisation.
Unsurprisingly the Telegraph is doing its best to imply Starmer/Labour are less supportive than the previous government when it’s clear that Zelenskyy is doing what he’s rightly done regularly from the start of the war which is put pressure on the West to provide what he needs. This time it was Starmer’s turn to be on the receiving end of this pressure.

Not just Storm Shaddows. Zelensky is definately implying that it's a drop in support across the board.
From leader to herd member if you like.
As an example of Govermnet attitute, IN THE PAST, Lammy has commented that he wants a cease fire - the only benefit of that of course is to cement Russian gains amd allow them to rearm and go again - as they have multiple times before.
Has his opinion changed? We need to know.

 

[mrcunny]

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Not sure how true this is but wouldn't suprise me

Ffs its getting as bad as England..

 

[west didsblue]

Not just Storm Shaddows. Zelensky is definately implying that it's a drop in support across the board.
From leader to herd member if you like.

Not sure that’s the case. He was specifically talking about long range weapons and then cleverly singled out the UK because I presume he realises there’s mileage in implying that the new government needs to up its game compared to the previous one. Good use of psychology.

 

[i kne albert davy]

When you look at the actual speech the main takeaway is that he’s asking to be able to use certain long range weapons (Storm Shadow) which Starmer tried to authorise a month ago without gaining the necessary agreement from international partners. Let’s hope he gets this agreement and provides the necessary authorisation.
Unsurprisingly the Telegraph is doing its best to imply Starmer/Labour are less supportive than the previous government when it’s clear that Zelenskyy is doing what he’s rightly done regularly from the start of the war which is put pressure on the West to provide what he needs. This time it was Starmer’s turn to be on the receiving end of this pressure.

Suppose we'd need the agreement of the French to allow the use of Storm Shadow in the offensive roll.