It was a joke. Like i said drama queen..
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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Exactly mate,But it seems some dont have a sense of humour or are just big brenda drama queens. But hey no sleeps are going to be missed here..Surprised how many are taking it serious, I thought it was just a piss take from that guy doing time for the facebook post.
Only opinion,but,i think they will keep going.So just sit and wait for the food and bullets to run out for them to surrender in this area?
The Russians are now pulling units from Pokrovsk direction.
Pull too many and Ukrainian Forces could cut a huge chunk of the Russians off in that direction.
Slava Ukraini.
metalblue
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Exactly mate,But it seems some dont have a sense of humour or are just big brenda drama queens. But hey no sleeps are going to be missed here..
You might mate when you get a 6am knock on the door from dibble for “wilfully inciting angry posts on the internet” ;)
grunge
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Im not liking what im reading of late. Germany cutting back aid,UK not supporting Ukraine as much and god knows whats going to happen in November..
Starmer has apparently told the MOD to get back on the ball with support. Hopefully its just a blip for us while the governments swapped over.
Scottyboi
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MILITARY & STRATEGIC:
KURSK UPDATE:
The third bridge over the River Seym which runs roughly west to east from the Ukrainian border to Koronevo has now been destroyed according to Russian sources, leaving them trapped south of the river.
There has been major fighting at the town of Koronevo - which sits at the point the river Seym turns north. This involved what some described as ‘high-end’ Russian armour and the rumour is the town has been badly damaged in the fight. Opsec remains tight and the Ukrainians haven’t yet released any video.
If this lives up to some of the descriptions from Russian sources it’s the first major fight the Ukrainians have had to deal with. My suspicion is this will be one unit that has no backup from the Russian side making a stand, because it happened to be the only one that could get there. This is typical of Russian tactics and strategy when they try to hold up an advance. They have little expectation that it will succeed but it buys time for the deeper defence to be established well away from current operations. Their concern will now be that they can build up a sufficient defence before the Ukrainians get to it before it’s ready. They did the same thing in WW2, but German armour just kept breaking the lines before they were ready and rolled past.
Conversely the Ukrainians don’t have objectives that far or that deep, so sooner or later the Russians will have a large enough force to field. It’s just a question of how long it takes them and how far the Ukrainians decide to go before they stop.
There will come a moment when the initiative swaps sides - Ukraine will bump into the Russians or the Ukrainians will decide to stop and then the initiative is with the Russians to strike when they see fit.
For Ukraine deciding where and when that point is - because they must know their objectives - is crucial. The danger is they don’t have a prepared objective strategy and are just winging it hoping to see how far it goes. That leads to vulnerability.
There’s been much debate about President Zelensky announcing Ukraine was just creating a buffer zone. That’s a nonsense objective and just covers the excuse that this whole thing is a land grab for future negotiations. By definition that implies the Ukrainians are likely to take as much as they can take easily. Once the going gets tough they won’t waste resources on pushing it further. I’ve already said plenty about what happens after this point.
We need to examine how this whole operation is being viewed inside Russia and what level of threat it poses to Putin.
His choice of commander for the CTO, named as such because that enables legal mass surveillance, property confiscation and effective martial law, is FSB general Bortnikov. That alone is significant because he is widely seen as Putin’s chosen successor.
That means he is highly motivated to meet Putin’s goals in order to maintain that position in the hierarchy. Failure would inevitably see him lose position, and even be forced out of his plum job as head of the FSB.
Putin himself seems rattled and surprised by what has happened. The facts around Gerasimov apparently being warned of, and then down playing the incursion as a raid are widely known. He then claimed to Putin in public that he had stopped it inside a day or so. What was left of his credibility is shot away. It seems inevitable that he will be retired and replaced. The question is with whom? Putin doesn’t trust anyone but a few and he lets them make mistake after mistake after mistake and still puts loyalty above competence. Replacing Gerasimov will be tough for him.
Another complication is that Belousov the new civilian defence minister, has created his own centralised committee to handle the invasion and placed that under his own direct command - publicly stating he will supervise it personally. So now you have the MOD, the General Staff, the Northern Command, the FSB and the CTO, plus Rossguardia police units all operating separately across multiple chains of command.
Over 200,000 people have been evacuated. CONTINUES…
CONTINUES…
It’s been revealed that the only reason Putin allowed the central government to get involved and pay them $100 in assistance, and to find shelter, was because there was an outcry from the towns taking them in and the danger of protests.
There is a lot of reporting from multiple journalists still allowed inside Russia - they take considerable risks - that the mood is now changing. Nobody is ready to challenge Putin though. They do think the war was a mistake. Generally most would like to see the war take the peace talks route and come to an end. The Kursk offensive has created huge doubts and few think Russia can win, but they can’t accept it will be beaten.
Interestingly this viewpoint is being permitted on state TV.
The prospect of Russia losing the war has been discussed. Phrases such as ‘we have to consider we might lose’ have been uttered live on TV. However this is often followed up by, ‘if we lose then Russia will cease to exist and humanity will cease to exist’. Echoing Putin’s statements in the past two years.
Yet the prospect of nuclear annihilation over this is unrealistic even in Russia. They don’t like the idea of being beaten, but if a way could be found to save face and exit the war with dignity, most Russians would accept that as good thing and Putin would get the credit for it.
The problem is what constitutes ’dignity’ and what would save Russian face sufficiently well, that it would meet Ukrainian requirements to end the war?
There remains the possibility that Kursk is the one thing that can change minds sufficiently well, Putin and his cast of villains will see the light.
Yet to get them to see it the scale of the operation must be far larger and produce a threat of imminent danger to the regime. I just don’t think it’s got that much power behind it and I don’t think the Ukrainians think it either. A rolling series of Russian failures will look bad. But can they keep that roll going long enough for it to be a problem in the Kremlin?
Meanwhile on the central front Russia keeps advancing - and that’s the story Moscow won’t stop telling. Kursk is a nuisance - it’s the main operation that really matters.
‘The Analyst’ MilStratOnX
Slava Ukraine !
KURSK UPDATE:
The third bridge over the River Seym which runs roughly west to east from the Ukrainian border to Koronevo has now been destroyed according to Russian sources, leaving them trapped south of the river.
There has been major fighting at the town of Koronevo - which sits at the point the river Seym turns north. This involved what some described as ‘high-end’ Russian armour and the rumour is the town has been badly damaged in the fight. Opsec remains tight and the Ukrainians haven’t yet released any video.
If this lives up to some of the descriptions from Russian sources it’s the first major fight the Ukrainians have had to deal with. My suspicion is this will be one unit that has no backup from the Russian side making a stand, because it happened to be the only one that could get there. This is typical of Russian tactics and strategy when they try to hold up an advance. They have little expectation that it will succeed but it buys time for the deeper defence to be established well away from current operations. Their concern will now be that they can build up a sufficient defence before the Ukrainians get to it before it’s ready. They did the same thing in WW2, but German armour just kept breaking the lines before they were ready and rolled past.
Conversely the Ukrainians don’t have objectives that far or that deep, so sooner or later the Russians will have a large enough force to field. It’s just a question of how long it takes them and how far the Ukrainians decide to go before they stop.
There will come a moment when the initiative swaps sides - Ukraine will bump into the Russians or the Ukrainians will decide to stop and then the initiative is with the Russians to strike when they see fit.
For Ukraine deciding where and when that point is - because they must know their objectives - is crucial. The danger is they don’t have a prepared objective strategy and are just winging it hoping to see how far it goes. That leads to vulnerability.
There’s been much debate about President Zelensky announcing Ukraine was just creating a buffer zone. That’s a nonsense objective and just covers the excuse that this whole thing is a land grab for future negotiations. By definition that implies the Ukrainians are likely to take as much as they can take easily. Once the going gets tough they won’t waste resources on pushing it further. I’ve already said plenty about what happens after this point.
We need to examine how this whole operation is being viewed inside Russia and what level of threat it poses to Putin.
His choice of commander for the CTO, named as such because that enables legal mass surveillance, property confiscation and effective martial law, is FSB general Bortnikov. That alone is significant because he is widely seen as Putin’s chosen successor.
That means he is highly motivated to meet Putin’s goals in order to maintain that position in the hierarchy. Failure would inevitably see him lose position, and even be forced out of his plum job as head of the FSB.
Putin himself seems rattled and surprised by what has happened. The facts around Gerasimov apparently being warned of, and then down playing the incursion as a raid are widely known. He then claimed to Putin in public that he had stopped it inside a day or so. What was left of his credibility is shot away. It seems inevitable that he will be retired and replaced. The question is with whom? Putin doesn’t trust anyone but a few and he lets them make mistake after mistake after mistake and still puts loyalty above competence. Replacing Gerasimov will be tough for him.
Another complication is that Belousov the new civilian defence minister, has created his own centralised committee to handle the invasion and placed that under his own direct command - publicly stating he will supervise it personally. So now you have the MOD, the General Staff, the Northern Command, the FSB and the CTO, plus Rossguardia police units all operating separately across multiple chains of command.
Over 200,000 people have been evacuated. CONTINUES…
CONTINUES…
It’s been revealed that the only reason Putin allowed the central government to get involved and pay them $100 in assistance, and to find shelter, was because there was an outcry from the towns taking them in and the danger of protests.
There is a lot of reporting from multiple journalists still allowed inside Russia - they take considerable risks - that the mood is now changing. Nobody is ready to challenge Putin though. They do think the war was a mistake. Generally most would like to see the war take the peace talks route and come to an end. The Kursk offensive has created huge doubts and few think Russia can win, but they can’t accept it will be beaten.
Interestingly this viewpoint is being permitted on state TV.
The prospect of Russia losing the war has been discussed. Phrases such as ‘we have to consider we might lose’ have been uttered live on TV. However this is often followed up by, ‘if we lose then Russia will cease to exist and humanity will cease to exist’. Echoing Putin’s statements in the past two years.
Yet the prospect of nuclear annihilation over this is unrealistic even in Russia. They don’t like the idea of being beaten, but if a way could be found to save face and exit the war with dignity, most Russians would accept that as good thing and Putin would get the credit for it.
The problem is what constitutes ’dignity’ and what would save Russian face sufficiently well, that it would meet Ukrainian requirements to end the war?
There remains the possibility that Kursk is the one thing that can change minds sufficiently well, Putin and his cast of villains will see the light.
Yet to get them to see it the scale of the operation must be far larger and produce a threat of imminent danger to the regime. I just don’t think it’s got that much power behind it and I don’t think the Ukrainians think it either. A rolling series of Russian failures will look bad. But can they keep that roll going long enough for it to be a problem in the Kremlin?
Meanwhile on the central front Russia keeps advancing - and that’s the story Moscow won’t stop telling. Kursk is a nuisance - it’s the main operation that really matters.
‘The Analyst’ MilStratOnX
Slava Ukraine !
I was hacked..lolYou might mate when you get a 6am knock on the door from dibble for “wilfully inciting angry posts on the internet” ;)
I hope so mate.For me any bad news just prolongs this invasion.Putin isnt bothered at allStarmer has apparently told the MOD to get back on the ball with support. Hopefully its just a blip for us while the governments swapped over.
St.Pauli support
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Don't worry about German support, the fundamental commitment hasn't changed.Im not liking what im reading of late. Germany cutting back aid,UK not supporting Ukraine as much and god knows whats going to happen in November..
German gov coalition just had to compromize on the 2025 budget, which was more than difficult.
UKR support will hopefully be "internationalized", as they call the plan of a USD 50bn package covered by frozen ruzzian assets interest payments.
German support 2024 will be €8bn, €4bn for 2025, further decreasing. They try to get many other countries to up their responsibility and share.
But even if that (probably) fails, no way German support is at risk under the current political constellation. We know exactly what's on the cards.