Russian invasion of Ukraine

[grunge]

I hope you are right but I'm afraid 900 glide bombs every week from a half a tonne to 3 tones does a hell of a lot of damage.
And they aren't being stopped.
Ukraine has resorted to defence in depth tactics so that one hit isn't catastrophic but IT IS taking a heavy toll AND allowing meat waves to gain ground.

To be honest the West's inability in helping Ukaine to counter these weapons in anything like a timely manner is AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING DISGRACE.

Out of curiosity what weapons can counter them? I can’t see anti air having much luck against them, they will have a very small radar signature and no heat to track, no noise to track. The planes dropping them could well come from further afield than any weapons system available to hit on the ground.

Only thing I could think of is lots of reapers with anti air to try to take out the planes carrying them.

NATO would obviously take out all airfields in Russia with stealth bombers and gain air superiority but that’s just not viable.

 

[CTID1977]

Needs confirmation but funny as fuck if true;)

Search is ongoing in Russia's Bryansk region after 18 North Korean soldiers escaped 7km from the border of Ukraine, — Kyiv Post sources from Ukrainian intelligence confirm.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Out of curiosity what weapons can counter them? I can’t see anti air having much luck against them, they will have a very small radar signature and no heat to track, no noise to track. The planes dropping them could well come from further afield than any weapons system available to hit on the ground.

Only thing I could think of is lots of reapers with anti air to try to take out the planes carrying them.

NATO would obviously take out all airfields in Russia with stealth bombers and gain air superiority but that’s just not viable.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/06/how-ukraine-can-defeat-russian-glide-bombs.html

The 3 Swedish Saab AEW&C aircraft given to Ukraine will be the force multiplier that will allow Ukraine to detect the planes carrying the weapons and the glide bombs themselves. These can then be shot down by existing weapons system that Ukraine has - More F16s and AIM120D AARAM missiles will help immensely though.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Stuff 15/10:

Russian stuff blowing up: Report says 18 North Korean soldiers flee from Russian war zone

It’s a safe bet that there will be many more than these 18. 18 servicemen from the DPRK have already escaped from positions on the border of the Bryansk and Kursk regions of the Russian Federation. It happened seven kilometers from the state border...

www.dailykos.com

- Russia has taken back 1/4 of the Kursk Region originally taken by Ukraine - At a huge cost to Russia I may add.
- Russia still gaining some ground further south.
- Drastically reduce the Glide bombs and you stop Russian advances.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

What goes around,comes around......
Not my words...

The 155th brigade thought they could claim victory by beheading one of our own in Kursk, but all they’ve done is seal their own fate. They will die in agony, buried in their own filth like the rats they are. We don’t forgive, and we don’t forget. Every last one of them will rot, their bodies left to fester in the very trenches they cowered in. There will be no glory, no recognition—just a slow, filthy death as the earth swallows them whole. Their screams will fade to silence, their bones crushed beneath the weight of vengeance. They will be erased.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

3 Artillery training sites have been set up just outside Mariupol,Donetsk Region.
North Korean troops are training there.

Heroyam Slava.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Zhuravlevka,Belgorod Region.
Now under Ukrainian control.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[b6_brum]

But so far they've consistently proved that they can't gain peace through defeating Russia and reclaiming territory either.

Kursk was a bold and successful raid but it's zero sum after the losses in the East at the same time.

They can exit the conflict and get rid of some of the troublesome Russian native speaking traitors in the East though.

What would be the logic for Russia in marching in and capturing territory that they can't hold and can't win the hearts and minds of the local population. Western Ukraine is in the orbit of Western Europe and won't be going back.

Russia isn't likely to present a theat as an invading force again. The Kharkiv and Kyiv blitzkreigs were disastrous.

What's the point of Ukraine staying in a conflict that they can't win? The one thing they are clinging on to is, hoping for the collapse of the Putin regime by coup etc.

For how long?

I don't disagree with your summary that the Russian Army have been humbled, but it appears the same arguments are being made again and again and history is just repeating itself. Cease a bit more land for Putin and he'll leave you alone next time - but he never does, he ALWAYS comes back for more. It was all western fearmongering when he was quite obviously amassing troops on the border in 2021/2022.

It's quite clear by his constant aggressive historical ramblings, that he simply does not recognise Ukraine as a state, and he has clearly reached the point of his life where it's ambition to expand the Russian Federation to what he (and only he) deems acceptable.

Sure, he might not be able to take Kyiv militarily for a while, but if Ukraine cease land under the Zelensky regime, he's hardly going to make life comfortable for them is he? He'll still keep probing West, unsettling where he can, trying to influence elections to reduce the unity of western countries and come again when he builds his military back up. If Trump gets in power, that is going to be a hell of a lot easier.

I don't celebrate the loss of life, it's a tragedy, but the Ukrainian people should be in total control of their decisions and if they want to fight for their freedom, the western world should be giving them every ounce of help we can, for as long as it takes.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

For how long?

I don't disagree with your summary that the Russian Army have been humbled, but it appears the same arguments are being made again and again and history is just repeating itself. Cease a bit more land for Putin and he'll leave you alone next time - but he never does, he ALWAYS comes back for more. It was all western fearmongering when he was quite obviously amassing troops on the border in 2021/2022.

It's quite clear by his constant aggressive historical ramblings, that he simply does not recognise Ukraine as a state, and he has clearly reached the point of his life where it's ambition to expand the Russian Federation to what he (and only he) deems acceptable.

Sure, he might not be able to take Kyiv militarily for a while, but if Ukraine cease land under the Zelensky regime, he's hardly going to make life comfortable for them is he? He'll still keep probing West, unsettling where he can, trying to influence elections to reduce the unity of western countries and come again when he builds his military back up. If Trump gets in power, that is going to be a hell of a lot easier.

I don't celebrate the loss of life, it's a tragedy, but the Ukrainian people should be in total control of their decisions and if they want to fight for their freedom, the western world should be giving them every ounce of help we can, for as long as it takes.

I think the only way such a settlement could conceivably work, and avoid the scenario you paint is whatever is left of Ukraine (presumably along the current lines of demarcation) joining NATO and the EU forthwith as part of that settlement. This would, theoretically at least, deter Russia from trying to steal more land.

However, I simply cannot see Russia agreeing to that, and moreover should only happen if Ukraine agrees to it, which I wouldn’t expect either.

 

[St.Pauli support]

"Ukraine's President Zelenskyy has presented his "Victory Plan" to Parliament

According to him, the plan consists of five points and three secret annexes. The revealed points sound more like a strategy than a plan.Five key points of the plan are as follows:

1 Geopolitical: Invitation to NATO
Ukraine seeks an invitation to NATO as a crucial step for future peace and a deterrent to further Russian aggression.

2 Military: Strengthening Defense
The plan involves fortifying Ukraine's defense, taking the fight to Russian territory, and preventing Russia from creating buffer zones.

3 Deterrence: Preventing Future Wars
Establishing a non-nuclear deterrent strategy on Ukrainian territory to prevent further Russian military aggression.

4 Economic: Leveraging Strategic Resources
Ukraine aims to use its natural resources and strategic industries to strengthen the economy and secure investments from global partners.

5 Security: Post-War Military Cooperation
After the war, Ukraine will offer its military expertise to strengthen European defense, potentially replacing U.S. troops stationed in Europe with Ukrainian forces.

Zelenskyy didn't reveal the secret annexes."