Russian invasion of Ukraine

Blue Elvis said:
So Labour announce £500 million in defence cuts for our armed forces who are supposed to defend this country but can send weapons and missiles costing millions to assist Nazi regimes in Ukraine ( and Israel).

Sorry in whose demented head does this make any sense ?

Stop sending our weapons to foreign countries, we are going to need them to defend ourselves if this escalates out of control.

Why did we bother a few weeks ago remembering those who died fighting Nazism in World War Two ? They must be turning in their graves at the betrayal of their sacrifices!
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What an absolute fucking weapon. Get back to sipping the kool aid you simp.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Well yesterday it was the "the West has brought amageddon upon us by helping Ukraine hit some military targets"

[Spoiler: no thermonuclear weapons were detonated today]

And today it's "Ukranians brought this in themselves by being Nazis"

[Spoiler: Russia is an actual fascist regime, murdering its opponents, running a personality cult, jailing people for speaking freely, and committing a range of soaking war crimes]

What will Putin's lackeys come up with tomorrow?
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They always amuse me. Especially when they start the 'do your own research shouts.' Genuinely believing they've read things that other people have not, like we're all glued to BBC1 at 6pm for our latest updates whilst they've gone a little bit deeper into the contact. They call others sheep with no irony whatsoever, whilst getting their information from podcasts and social media accounts designed to profiteer from idiots like them.

Silly me listens to Putin ranting about historical injustices and denying the right for other countries to even exist in his state tv speeches as justification for the invasion, when in reality I should have been listening to David Icke's podcasts about Neo Nazis. Someone should tell Putin to mention it more often, so we know what it's all about, instead of ranting on about the Ukrainian statehood being a fiction.
 
Blue Mist said:
That must be the minimum. BUT would NATO be prepared to fight a restocked, refreshed Russian army. I cannot see how Zelensky could be persuaded that will happen and I doubt Nato would want to fight Russia.
It brings back the threat of nuclear war.
Therefore I cannot see how peace can be obtained by negotiation.
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Given that mighty Russia has managed to advance and take 20% of Ukraine in three years, when it was fully stocked. And the combined armed European Nato military is far superior to Ukraines . I think you should be turning that argument arround and saying I don't think Russia will want to antagonise European Nato members. Let's be honest the Russian military have been found out big style in this conflict. It would seem that the only thing that Putin has left is his nuclear threats.
 
Crooked_rain said:
He's the mayor of Kiev...stood on stage with people he knows as they do Nazi salutes..

Do you think he just stands on stage with people involved in politics with no idea who they are? You're not that dense surely.

I bet you don't even know the guy throwing out the nazi salute. I'll help you, it's Arseniy Yatsenyuk, former prime minister. The other man on stage is Oleg Tiagnybok, leader of the national-fascist Svoboda party. And people still wanna claim nazis are not in Ukrainian politics. They're in plain sight.

Ukrainian politics, especially on a local and regional level if rife with Neo nazi's and the Mayor of Kiev isn't too far away from it.

I'm first generation British, my family came from the Soviet Union. I'm well aware of what goes on in Ukraine.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of a Russian invasion, it's just too many of you on here have bought into the Hollywood storyline of Russia being the baddies and the west being the goodies. There's a lot of blame on both sides. Ukraine have broken agreements with Russia in recent history, pretty much at the demand of the US. Now imagine Russia basically started controlling Mexican politics, having a hand in replacing their government and expanded their power closer and closer to the US. You reckon the US would act peacefully towards Mexico with that threat on their doorstep?
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I was specifically referencing the other picture where he’s stood posing with 2 guys like every famous person does.

Will look into the guys you mentioned as that pic wasn’t loading when I posted. As for that on stage picture tho, What is the context? Why was he on stage with them? Is he actually mates with them or was it just some election event from 2014?. I’ve reverse searched it and it’s from an event in 2014 but the original posting sites are dead.

For reference I’m not denying there are far right politicians / nazis in Ukraine. There certainly are some no doubt ( the original Azov battalion for example ). Every country seems to still have them. I’m digging into your claim about klitschko.
 
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Crooked_rain said:
He's the mayor of Kiev...stood on stage with people he knows as they do Nazi salutes..

Do you think he just stands on stage with people involved in politics with no idea who they are? You're not that dense surely.

I bet you don't even know the guy throwing out the nazi salute. I'll help you, it's Arseniy Yatsenyuk, former prime minister. The other man on stage is Oleg Tiagnybok, leader of the national-fascist Svoboda party. And people still wanna claim nazis are not in Ukrainian politics. They're in plain sight.

Ukrainian politics, especially on a local and regional level if rife with Neo nazi's and the Mayor of Kiev isn't too far away from it.
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Goodness me! As if EU and UK would back a Nazi state of 44m people by billions and billions as long as it takes?

And even IF Ukraine was mainly a Nazi state - have you EVER heard of international law and 'interference in internal affairs'?? That's exactly what the liar state of ruzzia would claim and always has been claiming in such a case. Do you live behind the moon or been raised and brainwashed by ruzzian ideology??...


Crooked_rain said:
I'm first generation British, my family came from the Soviet Union. I'm well aware of what goes on in Ukraine.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of a Russian invasion, it's just too many of you on here have bought into the Hollywood storyline of Russia being the baddies and the west being the goodies. There's a lot of blame on both sides. Ukraine have broken agreements with Russia in recent history, pretty much at the demand of the US. Now imagine Russia basically started controlling Mexican politics, having a hand in replacing their government and expanded their power closer and closer to the US. You reckon the US would act peacefully towards Mexico with that threat on their doorstep?
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Fantastic example!!
USA would then talk about severe security concerns (by Mexico vs USA bwaaahaaa) and send a million+ troops to Mexico, firing 10million+ grenades and thousands of missiles into cities and civil infrastructure and all the other shite we had to witness since nearly 3 fuckin years to "preserve peace in the region" while declaring Mexico shouldn't even be a sovereign state and never was? Did you mean it that way??
Ah, don't answer...

"I'm not a supporter of a Russian invasion".
How nice. My arse. That wording tells me everything.
 
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