Russian invasion of Ukraine

fulabeer said:
I've found with proven liars, you take everything they defend as a lie.
This is because they only defend what isn't true.

Whatever the Ukraine agrees to, we need to keep our foot on Putin's throat.
Sanction lifting shouldn't be part of any agreement they come to. Our sanctions aren't anything to do with the Ukraine.. as such.
This is because the threat from Putin goes beyond Ukraine.
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Whilst principally an attack on Ukraine this was also an attack on wider Europe and the principal reason Putin thought he could get away with it relatively unscathed was because of our dependence on commerce with Russia, especially her oil and gas exports.

It would be insanity to go back to anything vaguely resembling that, or in my view, go back at all. Their isolation must continue. Otherwise, all we would be doing is fucking ourselves for the future.

How does that even work anyway? That European nations are forced to trade with Russia? How would that even be enforced? Europe needs to stand strong and united on this.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Whilst principally an attack on Ukraine this was also an attack on wider Europe and the principal reason Putin thought he could get away with it relatively unscathed was because of our dependence on commerce with Russia, especially her oil and gas exports.

It would be insanity to go back to anything vaguely resembling that, or in my view, go back at all. Their isolation must continue. Otherwise, all we would be doing is fucking ourselves for the future.

How does that even work anyway? That European nations are forced to trade with Russia? How would that even be enforced? Europe needs to stand strong and united on this.
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Putin will not be forever.

Russian oil and gas will be used throughout Europe again at some point mate.

It’s distasteful to even think about such things at the moment but it will happen imo.
 
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