Russian invasion of Ukraine

Seems the BBC's only metric of winning v losing is ground gained.
Having to import foreign troops, losing control in Syria/africa, a collapsing economy, the decimation of the Black Fleet, being China's woman doesn't seem to count.

The Ukraine values it's fighters. Giving up ground is a smart way to fight sometimes. In football terms, it's like possession v goals. No point having possession if you lose the match.

The Ukraine continues to punch well beyond its weight. Just stopping the invasion is a win. Punching back another win. If they have to give up land because of the cunts taking charge in America, then so be it. But it will because America/Americans let it down.

I've said from the start that the only people who should decide what to give up for peace are the Ukrainians.
I'm amazed and proud of what they have done so far. I'm ashamed and embarrassed that we should have done more.
If Putin gets what he wants, that's on all of us...
 
fulabeer said:
Seems the BBC's only metric of winning v losing is ground gained.
Having to import foreign troops, losing control in Syria/africa, a collapsing economy, the decimation of the Black Fleet, being China's woman doesn't seem to count.

The Ukraine values it's fighters. Giving up ground is a smart way to fight sometimes. In football terms, it's like possession v goals. No point having possession if you lose the match.

The Ukraine continues to punch well beyond its weight. Just stopping the invasion is a win. Punching back another win. If they have to give up land because of the cunts taking charge in America, then so be it. But it will because America/Americans let it down.

I've said from the start that the only people who should decide what to give up for peace are the Ukrainians.
I'm amazed and proud of what they have done so far. I'm ashamed and embarrassed that we should have done more.
If Putin gets what he wants, that's on all of us...
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Difficult to argue with much of that, mate.
 
fulabeer said:
Seems the BBC's only metric of winning v losing is ground gained.
Having to import foreign troops, losing control in Syria/africa, a collapsing economy, the decimation of the Black Fleet, being China's woman doesn't seem to count.

The Ukraine values it's fighters. Giving up ground is a smart way to fight sometimes. In football terms, it's like possession v goals. No point having possession if you lose the match.

The Ukraine continues to punch well beyond its weight. Just stopping the invasion is a win. Punching back another win. If they have to give up land because of the cunts taking charge in America, then so be it. But it will because America/Americans let it down.

I've said from the start that the only people who should decide what to give up for peace are the Ukrainians.
I'm amazed and proud of what they have done so far. I'm ashamed and embarrassed that we should have done more.
If Putin gets what he wants, that's on all of us...
Click to expand...
"it's like possession v goals. No point having possession if you lose the match."

Please go on the match day forum and quote that!
 
fulabeer said:
Seems the BBC's only metric of winning v losing is ground gained.
Having to import foreign troops, losing control in Syria/africa, a collapsing economy, the decimation of the Black Fleet, being China's woman doesn't seem to count.

The Ukraine values it's fighters. Giving up ground is a smart way to fight sometimes. In football terms, it's like possession v goals. No point having possession if you lose the match.

The Ukraine continues to punch well beyond its weight. Just stopping the invasion is a win. Punching back another win. If they have to give up land because of the cunts taking charge in America, then so be it. But it will because America/Americans let it down.

I've said from the start that the only people who should decide what to give up for peace are the Ukrainians.
I'm amazed and proud of what they have done so far. I'm ashamed and embarrassed that we should have done more.
If Putin gets what he wants, that's on all of us...
Click to expand...
If you define 'we' as the combined governments of the West generally, I honestly don't think they give a fuck about Ukraine. This invasion was simply an opportunity to cripple a state that has posed a significant threat to our combined security for 60+ years.

Whatever ends up happening to Ukraine, 'the West' has won. Russia is fucked. They will most likely end up with swathes of Ukrainian land, but they're now a pariah state rubbing shoulders with North Korea and Iran. BRICS is weaker as a result of the war. NATO stronger. EU less dependent on Russian gas/oil.

The show will go on... but not out of any sense of justice or compassion with Ukraine. It's geopolitics. If 'we' truly cared, there'd have been boots on the ground defending Ukrainian land.

Thankfully, the UA are doing an incredible job keeping the invaders at bay.
 
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