Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

It's easy to do the right thing when you know you won't have to follow through on it. I'll bet everything I have they'll be there by the 2024 Olympics.

You are probably right, unfortunately.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Hiroshima

Nagasaki

The point IS not to suggest these bombs aren't still devastating or destructive, OR that we can simply "brush off" their usage. I hope they're never used as the cost will be unbearable. But the narrative that it'll be "armaggeddon" is a little misplaced. This isn't the 80's, things have changed, most nukes are low yield now with reduced capability to create fallout.

Plus there are fewer of them, we have better detection and capacity to destroy them once launched, with multiple sites across Europe. Russia now has too many targets, with too few nukes that would survive being shot down. the ones that would would be catastrophic; but the world survived Nakasaki and Hiroshima. In the 80's it didn't look like we would, today it's a different story. The whole point is nto to spread fear. We already know they should never be used, scaring people as to their destructive power, when we already know it, helps nobody.

In all seriousness, I think it <warning people of the destructive power of nuclear weapons> is a fuck of sight more helpful than telling people it's really nothing to worry about and we'd get over it.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Ignore that old fart. He doesn’t u set stand that social media is now more often than not the first place that breaking news is reported. If it was up to him he’d be waiting for tomorrow Guardian to arrive to wait and be told what to think.

he's right to be skeptical about certain stories coming out of this conflict, but equally - I don't think he can accept the reality of it also

 

[Coatigan]

The only way Putin fires a nuke is it NATO troops are about to take Moscow.

People need to relax.

I'm pretty relaxed.

However, the threat itself is still over and above the expected. And a risk of being enough to cause escalation that becomes self sustaining.

I didn't think he would attempt to invade Ukraine as a whole, so I'm steering away from attempting any predictions on what he would or wouldn't do.

 

[bobmcfc]

Too many people. They won't bomb the moors though. Keep it to yourself though ;-)

We can build an underground bunker like Christian Bale in Reign of Fire. No Dragons thankfully

 

[Octavian]

What would happen if a nuclear bomb went off in your backyard?

Experience the power of a low-yield nuclear weapon in your area

outrider.org

Click on the bomb tab and you can choose different ones

The 300kt one is what we’d likely get.

(we won’t get any though).

 

[west didsblue]

What I mean is, those are not the comments she made that are reported to have inflamed Putin's rhetoric and threat with nukes.

It is supposedly her earlier comments that if he takes Ukraine and doesnt stop there, the next step would be seen as an attack on NATO countries along the Ukrainian border and NATO would have to become involved.

As I understand it. That, combined with what he sees as illegal sanctions by the west, both of which he included in his statement.



Goes without saying, not that I think either is any reason whatsoever or justification for his position, it is a ridiculous stance of his no matter what the comments were. Just pointing out there seems to be a bit of confusion on ever moving commentary.

Ok. I see what you're saying.

I do think it's more likely to be related to her comments about British people going to fight in the Ukraine forces because they would spin this as direct foreign intervention from a NATO power.

It's all academic anyway because if this wasn't the pretext they'd make up another one.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

In all seriousness, I think it <warning people of the destructive power of nuclear weapons> is a fuck of sight more helpful than telling people it's really nothing to worry about and we'd get over it.

It doesn’t hugely matter either way.

If they’re used, lots of people will die.

 

[Metal Biker]

In all seriousness, I think it <warning people of the destructive power of nuclear weapons> is a fuck of sight more helpful than telling people it's really nothing to worry about and we'd get over it.

People already know, I assure you.

Telling them they have thousands of Tsar Bombas isn't accurate or helpful either, is it.

 

[Octavian]

I'm pretty relaxed.

However, the threat itself is still over and above the expected. And a risk of being enough to cause escalation that becomes self sustaining.

I didn't think he would attempt to invade Ukraine as a whole, so I'm steering away from attempting any predictions on what he would or wouldn't do.

An aid to Putin has just said they’re hoping to reach a mutually beneficial agreement on the BBC.

I don’t trust a word any of them say but the rhetoric today hasn’t been an escalation.