Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Thinking about it that didn't deserve a like. Shocking pun.

Apologies. Bringing Morrissey into any discussion is unacceptable.

 

[west didsblue]

Would we lose the Derby Nostra?

No.

 

[metalblue]

You need more big companies freezing out Russia. You don't always need bloodshed to fight a war

Agreed. People before profit is what is required under these circumstances. So much business can do but hiding behind sanctions and delegating the social responsibility to governments. The same companies that bleat on about, and slap themselves on the back for being, good corporate citizens because they donate a few bob or a few hours to charities/ community causes. I know I work for these hypocritical companies. I’ve fired into one chairman today for all the good it will do other than a “dear john we share your concerns” response.

 

[bluesince76]

Regardless of everything going on, the sanctions, the potential war crimes, ultimately there needs to be a peace. The sooner we can find an 'out' for Putin, the better for all involved, particularly the average Ukrainian. Pushing him further into a further is going to make things a lot worse.

I suspect he'll want the two regions the separatists have been fighting over, not because they're Russian, but because they provide a land route to Crimea. The Ukrainian army aren't strong enough to kick Russia out of there now, so unless NATO is planning on doing it, which would be a huge escalation, they may offer Putin the 'win' he'll want to claim whilst minimising the death and destruction that will happen from now. I suspect he's realised the Ukrainians don't see him as the saviour he thinks of himself as, so unless he wants another Afghanistan, the sooner he can get out the better for him domestically.

Europe then needs to concentrate on bringing Ukraine into the EU and closer to Europe but maybe turn down the joining NATO bit. Invading an EU country in the future world probably be a line too far, but then not being in NATO removes part of his paranoia, or at least the part of it he can spew on state TV. Let him claim his victories whilst the rest of us get back to international trade and finding an alternative gas supplier.

 

[BlueHammer85]

How’s everyone’s anxiety right now? Mine sky high I took a few hours off from reading the forum but I got that butterfly feeling in my stomach constantly.

I had this with Covid news , after that i promised myself never to get worked up by things i can't control.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The sheer raw courage of the Ukraine leadership and people is beyond anything I've experienced before.

Awe inspiring.

 

[SWP's back]

This feels more like a show of superiority to force a quick surrender.

working well then.

 

[Scottyboi]

There's little evidence to suggest that's true.

For a start, it's very clear he has completely misjudged the difficulty militarily and also underestimated the coherence and severity of the western response.

And second, Ukraine is a very different place to Moldova or Georgia. Neither were ever part of Russia (although they were both under the control of the USSR at various points of course). There is an argument - however misguided - that Ukraine's "natural" cultural home is to be part of Russia. You cannot say that of either of the above.

EDIT: Not sure about Georgia, maybe they were part of Russia if we go back far enough. Either way, it's a different situation compared to Ukraine.

For some reason this twat thinks Russian troops will come into Ukraine from the Moldova too.

 

[Blue warrior]

I had this with Covid news , after that i promised myself never to get worked up by things i can't control.

I just keep looking at my kids plus new born and thinking this could be it it’s angin. I know I can’t control it but it’s already set in my body. I wasn’t bothered with covid but nukes different level mate.

 

[JASR]

Apologies. Bringing Morrissey into any discussion is unacceptable.

You know what's louder than bombs? False propoganda