Russian invasion of Ukraine

[blue b4 the moon]

The Times seems to take issue with our ‘world leading efforts’.

‘Britain will not be able to sanction Roman Abramovich and other oligarchs for weeks of months - if at all. Foreign Office and National Crime Agency have been unable to prove 'reasonable grounds' for designating oligarchs’ @TheTimes

Fucks me off we always play 'the good guy' to show we're better than them.

Sick of playing that game, nobody is going to die from us getting this cash frozen. Just fucking do it and let them worry about how to get it back.

 

[bobmcfc]

I said in the Everton thread their bolloxed, where are they gonna get the funds to complete the new stadium, looks like they might be staying at woodison.

Huge ties to Russia. Wiff of hypocrisy in the Scouse air...

 

[hilts]

For a change, thought I'd make an exception and listen to what Brand has to say.

Can't believe I wasted however many minutes on that shite.

It isn't 'an alternative opinion'. It is showcasing the ability to twist loose facts into implied accusations and excuses while pretending not to be making excuses and accusations.

What a twat.

Why is 1997 or even 1991 the point that matters in this. Why is that more significant than 2014, 2008, 1917, 1019, or 43,000 BC. And why are any of them relevant to the decision to invade it in 2022. Because he wants to be contrary and find excuses to justify it, while pretending not to be taking 'a side'.

'Yeah, so if we are ready to point fingers at others, rather than the aggressors, we might maybe stop it from happening again'. Erm no. If anything, are helping ensure it happens again by strengthening narratives used to start the aggression in the first place.

His career has been in the toilet for years, rather than consider himself lucky that being such a talentless dick he managed to have one in the first place he has taken the Galloway route.

 

[west didsblue]

Again I'm not saying I know everything, but if you simply use the argument "they already have Nato on their boarder so there is no difference" its quite obvious you basically have no idea what you talking about and should educate yourself a bit more before getting into further discussions on the subject. If you fail to realize Russia is concerned about Nato expanding to the east and Ukraine becoming a part of Nato, regardless if you think the concerns are valid or not, you must simply have been living under a rock the last 14 years and/or had zero knowledge about the Ukraine situation before Russia invaded them a couple of days ago.

There is also a big difference in importance about how much more vulnerable Russia are along its border to Ukraine, than what they are along the boarder they share with Norway, the Baltics or even USA. Its barely even people living along their border with Norway, its so far up North. Same can be said about their border with Alaska. The Baltics basically have a population of a small Russian city so its nothing they need to be super worried about, from a Russian point of view. But it was quite obvious they were unwilling to let Nato expand to these countries as well at the time, even if they didnt use military force to prevent it. I think this has mainly to do with that Russia didnt have the financial muscles to go to war back then as they have today, but thats just my guess.

Like I said ,I dont think Russia has any right to invade Ukraine regardless if they are concerned about Nato or not. I just find it hard to understand why anyone would think that the reason Russia chooses to invade Ukraine, has anything to do with something else than Ukraines potential Nato expansion.

It's you that needs to educate yourself. Start with how you spell border before you move on to anything more complicated.

 

[Metal Biker]

Again I'm not saying I know everything, but if you simply use the argument "they already have Nato on their boarder so there is no difference" its quite obvious you basically have no idea what you talking about and should educate yourself a bit more before getting into further discussions on the subject. If you fail to realize Russia is concerned about Nato expanding to the east and Ukraine becoming a part of Nato, regardless if you think the concerns are valid or not, you must simply have been living under a rock the last 14 years and/or had zero knowledge about the Ukraine situation before Russia invaded them a couple of days ago.

There is also a big difference in importance about how much more vulnerable Russia are along its border to Ukraine, than what they are along the boarder they share with Norway, the Baltics or even USA. Its barely even people living along their border with Norway, its so far up North. Same can be said about their border with Alaska. The Baltics basically have a population of a small Russian city so its nothing they need to be super worried about, from a Russian point of view. But it was quite obvious they were unwilling to let Nato expand to these countries as well at the time, even if they didnt use military force to prevent it. I think this has mainly to do with that Russia didnt have the financial muscles to go to war back then as they have today, but thats just my guess.

Like I said ,I dont think Russia has any right to invade Ukraine regardless if they are concerned about Nato or not. I just find it hard to understand why anyone would think that the reason Russia chooses to invade Ukraine, has anything to do with something else than Ukraines potential Nato expansion.

By this logic, NATO now has every right to be concerned that Russia is expanding militarily and by force towards peaceful NATO members and should act accordingly.

Whether NATO 'expands' or not, NATO is no threat to Russia. If Russia were not a threat to these countries, NATO would not need to exist now would it. Ukraine wanted to join because they felt Russia was a threat to their safety and sovereignty meanwhile the Russians were saying Ukrainians had nothing to fear from Russia. Wow, look how that turned out.

 

[metalblue]

I know it’s 2022 and people shouldn’t be ashamed to come out as gay or trans or even that they identify as cats and need a litter tray… BUT I don’t get why people think it’s ok to out themselves in public as watchers of Russel Cunting Brand.

I’d rather people thought I fingered geese down the local park, it would be a great deal less embarrassing and I’d more that likely learn more. He’s the idiot’s idea of a smart person the scruffy ****.

Russist

 

[MillionMilesAway]

For a change, thought I'd make an exception and listen to what Brand has to say.

Can't believe I wasted however many minutes on that shite.

It isn't 'an alternative opinion'. It is showcasing the ability to twist loose facts into implied accusations and excuses while pretending not to be making excuses and accusations.

What a twat.

Why is 1997 or even 1991 the point that matters in this. Why is that more significant than 2014, 2008, 1917, 1019, or 43,000 BC. And why are any of them relevant to the decision to invade it in 2022. Because he wants to be contrary and find excuses to justify it, while pretending not to be taking 'a side'.

'Yeah, so if we are ready to point fingers at others, rather than the aggressors, we might maybe stop it from happening again'. Erm no. If anything, are helping ensure it happens again by strengthening narratives used to start the aggression in the first place.

Yes, I thought it was pretty blinkered, facts and interpretations used to meet a predestined goal rather than the other way around, and that was before it descended into simplistic Utopian wishful thinking.

The attack along the lines of "but what about everyone else" is just awful - it's an attack to create the image that others have denied behaving badly when in fact it's just not the topic. In fact, it's the same one Lavrov used.

Has he ever looked at it from anything other than the "poor Russia" point of view?

 

[west didsblue]

For a change, thought I'd make an exception and listen to what Brand has to say.

Can't believe I wasted however many minutes on that shite.

It isn't 'an alternative opinion'. It is showcasing the ability to twist loose facts into implied accusations and excuses while pretending not to be making excuses and accusations.

What a twat.

Why is 1997 or even 1991 the point that matters in this. Why is that more significant than 2014, 2008, 1917, 1019, or 43,000 BC. And why are any of them relevant to the decision to invade it in 2022. Because he wants to be contrary and find excuses to justify it, while pretending not to be taking 'a side'.

'Yeah, so if we are ready to point fingers at others, rather than the aggressors, we might maybe stop it from happening again'. Erm no. If anything, are helping ensure it happens again by strengthening narratives used to start the aggression in the first place.

Thanks for doing that. I don't like to dismiss stuff without seeing it first but I make an exception for anything from that twat Brand. Good of you to subject yourself to listening to a bit of it to validate my decision.

 

[shemnel]

Your opinion is that Russia should turn to crypto (despite being unaware they caused the major price drop through efforts to ban it in December of last year)

I think you're wrong here as Russia have decided to regulate private crypto, not ban it, and have been developing the central digital ruble for some years.

China aren’t backing them at all. China, for China, went absolutely as far as they could go to criticise them.

they've definitely played the middle ground here alright, slightly cool words. Trade continues though, so neither here nor there i'd say.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I know it’s 2022 and people shouldn’t be ashamed to come out as gay or trans or even that they identify as cats and need a litter tray… BUT I don’t get why people think it’s ok to out themselves in public as watchers of Russel Cunting Brand.

I’d rather people thought I fingered geese down the local park, it would be a great deal less embarrassing and I’d more that likely learn more. He’s the idiot’s idea of a smart person the scruffy ****.

I really think you should show more respect to the author of "My Booky Wook"