The same thing that is happening in Ukraine for 6-7 days has been happening in Palestine for 50 years.
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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I presume someone will apologise to them as it is clearly our fault.I said in the Everton thread their bolloxed, where are they gonna get the funds to complete the new stadium, looks like they might be staying at woodison.
Chippy_boy
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Isn't that a bit short-sighted? Surely conflicts are best avoided by people putting themselves in others' shoes and trying to see things from a different perspective? Isn't that the whole basis of negotiation and compromise?<Putin's> arguments, fears and justifications are laughable, for want of a better word, and aren't worth debating or discussing.
No-one condones what he has done, but I find it pretty amazing that such is the jingoism of some on here, they are not only are unprepared to think about what brought this about, they want to shout down others who are actually interested in understanding and trying to learn from this. (I don't mean you, btw).
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How long has a terrorist faction in Ukraine been sending bombs inro Russia prompting them to occupy part of their territory?The same thing that is happening in Ukraine for 6-7 days has been happening in Palestine for 50 years.
Been watching City mostly, so I must have missed that bit on the news.
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Like I said, I just wanted to write a post to vent a little about my concerns and fears about whats going on in the world, not because I wanted to "tell people how it is". I didnt know you weren't allowed to write stuff people might already know. Thanks mr forum police for telling me, you can send me the fine through a DM.Do you honestly think people on here aren't aware of that?
What do you want to discuss next, why Russia are using bombs instead of harsh words?
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He's a madman killing people in another nation that hasn't attacked or threatened him. We want to see things from his point of view why?Isn't that a bit short-sighted? Surely conflicts are best avoided by people putting themselves in others' shoes and trying to see things from a different perspective? Isn't that the whole basis of negotiation and compromise?
No-one condones what he has done, but I find it pretty amazing that such is the jingoism of some on here, they are not only are unprepared to think about what brought this about, they want to shout down others who are actually interested in understanding and trying to learn from this. (I don't mean you, btw).
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The mad russian reckons it is a war crime for those he is attacking to put snipers on the roof to defend themselves
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On it's way!Like I said, I just wanted to write a post to vent a little about my concerns and fears about whats going on in the world, not because I wanted to "tell people how it is". I didnt know you weren't allowed to write stuff people might already know. Thanks mr forum police for telling me, you can send me the fine through a DM.
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Bellingcat reported same this morning...
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If your analogy were apt I'd agree; whereas your analogy is not at all apt.
There's no risk that a western-aligned Ukraine poses any threat - let alone an existential threat - to Russia. Zero. Nada. Nil.
Yet you've bought into this narrative.
So - go on. Outline how, precisely, is it, that a western-aligned Ukraine posses an existential threat to Russia. This idea is so ridiculously stupid that words fail me... but go on, explain how this is possibly so.
For whatever reason, some portion of the western populace such as yourself seem to think that Russia has a point here. Whereas no, they do not.
Russia is led by an ex-KGB man. A man who personally saw to it that Russian apartments were bombed and innocent Russian civilians were killed simply to promote his cause. A man who deploys KGB agents to poison Russian detractors on foreign soil - and to poison them in such a manner that it's clear for all to see that Russia was behind the poisonings.
Putin is a monster. As you've said.
The only restraint against Putin is concerted action to the extent that it's clearly not to his advantage to persue his aggressive policies. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed with regard to The Ukraine.
The best hope now is that the war is so costly that Putin falls far out of favor and is displaced. And I think that this is a distinct possibility. Putin's invasion of the Ukraine is, I think, a huge mistake which might well lead to the end of Putin's reign.
Please don’t make make assumptions on the way I think.If your analogy were apt I'd agree; whereas your analogy is not at all apt.
There's no risk that a western-aligned Ukraine poses any threat - let alone an existential threat - to Russia. Zero. Nada. Nil.
Yet you've bought into this narrative.
So - go on. Outline how, precisely, is it, that a western-aligned Ukraine posses an existential threat to Russia. This idea is so ridiculously stupid that words fail me... but go on, explain how this is possibly so.
For whatever reason, some portion of the western populace such as yourself seem to think that Russia has a point here. Whereas no, they do not.
Russia is led by an ex-KGB man. A man who personally saw to it that Russian apartments were bombed and innocent Russian civilians were killed simply to promote his cause. A man who deploys KGB agents to poison Russian detractors on foreign soil - and to poison them in such a manner that it's clear for all to see that Russia was behind the poisonings.
Putin is a monster. As you've said.
The only restraint against Putin is concerted action to the extent that it's clearly not to his advantage to persue his aggressive policies. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed with regard to The Ukraine.
The best hope now is that the war is so costly that Putin falls far out of favor and is displaced. And I think that this is a distinct possibility. Putin's invasion of the Ukraine is, I think, a huge mistake which might well lead to the end of Putin's reign.
I know Ukraine (they don’t like being called The Ukraine) do not pose a threat. I know that fact because I am rational and not a state-controlled Soviet. I do also know that we in the West have sleep-walked into this situation. After the Cold War ended we took our eye off the ball and thought everything was solved. Putin and his cronies were a threat then and have been planning this for a very long time. The population have been subdued into thinking the West is the enemy. The only hope is a military coup from the inside, or, God forbid a conflict. If Putin is going to take Ukraine he will not stop there. He is deranged.