Russian invasion of Ukraine

[threespires]

As I said, no problem about military spending but trump is acting like an old style robber baron demanding mineral rights and sucking up to Putin. Unfortunately, he can no longer be considered the leader of the free world. With him it’s fuck everyone else including the best interests of most of the USA.

Corrected for accuracy.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Unbelievable Macron gives a brilliant answer the orange man just waffles on he really is thick as fuck.

 

[bert38]

Unbelievable Macron gives a brilliant answer the orange man just waffles on he really is thick as fuck.

Rambling thick narcissist

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The idea that we owe mainland Europe anything on balance doesn't pass the laugh test for most Americans.

Apart from your language and legal system, you mean?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The US want the mineral deal to happen,but don't want to include security guarantees as part of the deal.

Slava Ukraini.

Why would any sane person agree to that?

And would any sane person accept US security guarantees on their safe any more?

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Unbelievable Macron gives a brilliant answer the orange man just waffles on he really is thick as fuck.

Some of it’s in French :)

 

[JASR]

Apart from your language and legal system, you mean?

And 95% of their population (invaders, immigrants and slaves)

 

[WT86]

Apart from your language and legal system, you mean?

Is that right? If the UK is on the mainland our languages have diverged even more than I realized.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

The US want the mineral deal to happen,but don't want to include security guarantees as part of the deal.

Slava Ukraini.

Trump is only interested in the mineral rights to recouping £303billion, Zelenskyy said it was only £75 billion.
I don’t remember the US giving that much hardware ?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Is that right? If the UK is on the mainland our languages have diverged even more than I realized.

Realised.

 

[WT86]

Realised.

All that time with the OED and yet...

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

It would be nice if the Chinese stuck in a bid for the minerals.

Or us and Europe.;)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

All that time with the OED and yet...

The OED? I’ve shit ‘em.

 

[nu774ll]

Then Yank fuckers. We’ve backed them in all their wars, had to take in the majority of asylum seekers and the only time Europe need help he sides with Russia and throw us under the bus. Fucking cunts.

Proud of Europe standing together though and not backing down to them either, which I didn’t think we’d have the balls to do.. but we’ve been here and don’t want the same result as last time.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Trump is only interested in the mineral rights to recouping £303billion, Zelenskyy said it was only £75 billion.
I don’t remember the US giving that much hardware ?

£116m in total - the difference with £75m is non-military aid.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Fair enough.

Upon reflection I have to make further representations on the overall point you raised here. Given it was my post you quoted to make your statement.

I have moved my position hugely on this issue. As you will be aware given how much you lurk in this thread.

I have done this in the hope it will all end.

I’ve acknowledged that Ukraine will have to give up territory and cannot join NATO for the foreseeable. Just that it needs protecting from further aggression from Russia. And for that to mean something this time.

Which part of that last paragraph do you disagree with?

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Trump is only interested in the mineral rights to recouping £303billion, Zelenskyy said it was only £75 billion.
I don’t remember the US giving that much hardware ?

The US have give Ukraine $65.9 billion in military aid.
Now Trump wants $500 billion worth of rare earth materials in return.
The US voted against Russians leaving occupied land,which covers their back,or Trumps and Musks back,IMO.
Ukraine sign the deal,the US/Trump and Musk get a big slice.
Ukraine dont sign and the US strike a deal with Russia to mine the occupied territory,giving Trump and Musk a big slice.
No other reason for the US to vote against...IMO.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[BlueRodent]

Genuine question - of the aid given by the US to Ukraine - whether it be $65.9 billion, £75 billion or Trump's ludicrous figure of £303 billion : were there any preconditions attached? Was it "given" or loaned, or what?

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Putin now claims that Russia has more rare earth minerals than Ukraine.
Putin also says "Moscow is ready to offer them to interested partners"
That would be Elon and Donald then.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

The US have give Ukraine $65.9 billion in military aid.
Now Trump wants $500 billion worth of rare earth materials in return.
The US voted against Russians leaving occupied land,which covers their back,or Trumps and Musks back,IMO.
Ukraine sign the deal,the US/Trump and Musk get a big slice.
Ukraine dont sign and the US strike a deal with Russia to mine the occupied territory,giving Trump and Musk a big slice.
No other reason for the US to vote against...IMO.

Slava Ukraini.

If that happens would the USA militarily protect its assets in Russia?