Russian invasion of Ukraine

blueinsa said:
So Putin and Russia get to keep what they stole, save face and no doubt get all their assets back and in return the US takes from Ukraine for years to come with no NATO, no EU allowed, just some vague security guarantees that the US would never allow Russia back in now it’s got its hands on Ukrainian minerals.

Meanwhile the world goes back to doing its dirty business with each other like before.

I don’t see this any other way right now tbh.
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Starmer rocking up tomorow, head butting Tango and telling him to fuck off out of Europe and we will sort it would be a good start.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Was there a point that I missed when it became ok for stupid English people to slate Ukraine and Zelensky and describe the war as a con on the rest of the world, and Ukraine's fault? I ask because there's a City supporting FAcebook page called "Dead But Never Read" who posted a City badge in the Ukrainian colours and got engulfed with furious messages from City fans. I was shocked.

Is the influence of Trump and Farage on the thickos?
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I thought the far left hand always used the argument of Trump. I distinctly remember a few on here 3 years ago.
 


Ask Trump a straight question “what does Ukraine get in return” answer “350, Billion dollars, lots of equipment, and military equipment THE RIGHT TO FIGHT ON AND ORIGINALLY THE RIGHT TO FIGHT, there brave and good soldiers but without the United States it would have been over in a short period of time”

According to Trump £350 billion they already had so is it new money? I don’t think they are getting anything double talk
 
Kirkstall Blue said:


Ask Trump a straight question “what does Ukraine get in return” answer “350, Billion dollars, lots of equipment, and military equipment THE RIGHT TO FIGHT ON AND ORIGINALLY THE RIGHT TO FIGHT, there brave and good soldiers but without the United States it would have been over in a short period of time”

According to Trump £350 billion they already had so is it new money? I don’t think they are getting anything double talk
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I sincerely hope Zelensky stays strong and decline to sign the deal if he feels he isn’t getting the security guarantees he deserves.

Personally, I hope he simply tells Trump to fuck off and looks to Europe for a more even handed deal.
 
RUSSIA STILL COMING UP WITH ARMISTICE BLOCKS

Lavarov has yet again come up with a new line: there will not be any ceasefire on the line of contact. ‘We have a constitution’.
This means that they consider the Oblasts they annexed but did not conquer in full, should be evacuated by Ukraine in
Russia’s view. He knows the Ukrainians would never accept this so you can clearly see, he doesn’t really mean business.
The whole peace process is a Russo-American scam.
 
Scottyboi said:
RUSSIA STILL COMING UP WITH ARMISTICE BLOCKS

Lavarov has yet again come up with a new line: there will not be any ceasefire on the line of contact. ‘We have a constitution’.
This means that they consider the Oblasts they annexed but did not conquer in full, should be evacuated by Ukraine in
Russia’s view. He knows the Ukrainians would never accept this so you can clearly see, he doesn’t really mean business.
The whole peace process is a Russo-American scam.
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Only reason the scumbag Russians are there in the first place is because they starved the Ukranians and Russians replaced them..vile vile nation.
 
Stuff 26/02:

Good news on the front lines.
- Villages SW of Pokrovsk liberated.
- Tuapse Oil Refinary and pumping stations on the black sea hit.
- Russia lost HALF it's inventry of 122mm shells back in Septrmber with a strike on a Wharehouse in Russia.

www.dailykos.com

Russian stuff blowing up: Ukraine recaptures village near Pokrovsk

Ukraine has recaptured the village of Kotlyne southwest of Pokrovsk. There are no details yet -- that I have seen — about how this was accomplished. Ukraine again targeted the oil refinery in Tuapse, which is a town on the Black Sea. A Russian drone...
www.dailykos.com
 
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mosssideblue said:
Ditto. Clearly with Trumps new announcement about Tariffs and what he believes the EU stand for, I'm amazed he's still going (Starmer too)
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The amount of criticism European leaders have come in for from Trump so many lies and insults all week it’s madness to go there at all. Some of the media start to row back on the criticism of Trump.
Trump held a board meeting of top republicans and Elon Musk addressed the room, what sort of democracy allows an unelected meeting of the government to address the cabinet.?
 
The more I read this thread and the Trump one, the more I realise America is fucked.
You, the decent Americans, will not get what's left of your country back in 4 years time. Musk has taken over.

I fear for Ukraine. Europe must start acting as one and they must give everything to help Ukraine win because if they don't, it won't stop with Ukraine. Trump/Musk will see to thst.
 
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