Russian invasion of Ukraine

Scottyboi said:
Looks like Pokrovsk has all but fallen now, russians have thrown 1000s of lives into it but that doesn't matter in the long run to them.

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Don’t think this is huge of strategic importance per se but to dismiss it as inconsequential would be intellectually dishonest.

Europe needs to sit up and pay attention to ensure this advance doesn’t gather meaningful, or even significant momentum.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Don’t think this is huge of strategic importance per se but to dismiss it as inconsequential would be intellectually dishonest.

Europe needs to sit up and pay attention to ensure this advance doesn’t gather meaningful, or even significant momentum.
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It ain't going to win them the war, but it does allow them to bring destruction to their next targets. Insane loss of life over a relatively small city. Like noted in the guys comments though, Ukraine needs to handle the retreats better than Advika where it snowballed unnecessarily due to poor rotations of units and gave russia gains for free.
 
Scottyboi said:
It ain't going to win them the war, but it does allow them to bring destruction to their next targets. Insane loss of life over a relatively small city. Like noted in the guys comments though, Ukraine needs to handle the retreats better than Advika where it snowballed unnecessarily due to poor rotations of units and gave russia gains for free.
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They are going to run out of road eventually. They do not have the demographics to sustain these losses for another 18 months without conscripting Muscovites. At that point it will be all over for Putin, one way or the other.

And the internal fuel situation in Russia could act as a big catalyst for change over the winter.

Tragic it will come at such a terrible cost. What a fucking waste.
 
cleavers said:
It's taken well over 12 months, so no great surprise.

What a waste of human life.

At least bbc will be happy ;-) they finally got the result they told us was "imminent" 12 months ago.
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I’m not a BBC hater, but their coverage of this war has been odd. Maybe they think reporting Russian wins will maintain support for Ukraine?
 
Stuff 04/11:

www.dailykos.com

Russian stuff blowing up: Ukraine targets Russian power plants

Ukraine has stepped up attacks on Russian power plants as well as refineries. Future targets in Russia could include the Balaklava TPP in Sevastopol and perhaps the huge Novocherkassk TPP near Rostov. There is also the Novobryanskaya Transmission Hub,...
www.dailykos.com

Not so sure about Pokrovosk falling. Ukraine forces are currently clearing sections of the City block by block. Demolishing buildings where Russians hold out.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Stuff 04/11:

www.dailykos.com

Russian stuff blowing up: Ukraine targets Russian power plants

Ukraine has stepped up attacks on Russian power plants as well as refineries. Future targets in Russia could include the Balaklava TPP in Sevastopol and perhaps the huge Novocherkassk TPP near Rostov. There is also the Novobryanskaya Transmission Hub,...
www.dailykos.com

Not so sure about Pokrovosk falling. Ukraine forces are currently clearing sections of the City block by block. Demolishing buildings where Russians hold out.
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Surely that means it’s about to fall?
 

President Zelenskyy said
“The Russian army has once again been forced to push back the deadlines it had drawn up for itself for capturing Pokrovsk and Dobropillia. And every Russian loss contributes to our ability to defend our state, our people, our independence. It is symbolic that today we have the most positive European Commission report in three years.

This gives Ukrainians even more motivation as Europe recognizes our joint efforts. Ukraine is doing everything to gain EU membership. Even in wartime, even amid the toughest battles, our state keeps moving forward in the membership talks, which is absolutely unprecedented across Europe.

Every other EU member state has followed a much easier path. It is crucial that our results are met with proper support in Europe – that the EU fulfills its commitments. Ukraine is ready to open the clusters, and we need a European decision on this. I thank everyone who is helping. I am proud of our people, proud of every single one of our warriors.”

Come on EU/Europe fulfil our commitments to Ukraine while they bravely hold the line and stop Russia.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m not a BBC hater, but their coverage of this war has been odd. Maybe they think reporting Russian wins will maintain support for Ukraine?
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BBC coverage has been very consistent with other reputable media outlets? Certainly not an outlier. What we get on here is, obviously, biased towards Ukraine, who pretty much all the commentators (including me) strongly support.

What I think you could criticise isn't so much the BBC as the wider "expert analysis" community who the beeb and other media rely on for their understanding of what's going on. There has been a consistent overestimation of Russian capability, it seems to me. But then again, I've zero expertise in this.

And, despite all the hopes on here, Russia is, after all, still advancing. Their losses seem totally unsustainable to me, but here we are nonetheless.
 
Mikeegrini said:
From the about post..

"Ukraine is ready to open the clusters, and we need a European decision on this."

Can anyone explain this please.
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Cluster bombs ? Ukraine must need permission from the EU?




“The Unmanned Systems Forces are one of the key branches of Ukraine’s future army – and, without doubt, a vital element of our modern troops.

I am proud of what our warriors do every day. Thank you for defending Ukraine and for the large-scale destruction of the enemy. Today, at the main command post of the 414th Brigade “Magyar's Birds,” I presented the warriors with state awards.

I also heard a report on the structure, missions, results, and development strategy of the Unmanned Systems Forces.
We spoke with the defenders about AWOL and ways to return servicemembers to duty.

We also focused on domestic drone production and proposals for the further development of the Unmanned Systems Forces”
 
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Mikeegrini said:
From the about post..

"Ukraine is ready to open the clusters, and we need a European decision on this."

Can anyone explain this please.
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Not sure if you guys are joking... ;)

'Clusters' are the steps into EU membership.
'Opening the clusters' means starting the negotiation process to become a future EU member.

In the link is an illustrative factsheet:
https://euneighbourseast.eu/news/publications/eu-accession-process-step-by-step/

Who will be first, Ukraine or UK? ;)
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Surely that means it’s about to fall?
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To Ukraine - yes.
The daring low level helicopter reinforcents to Pokrovosk clearly were successful- regardless of what Russia says in it's propoganda. (Has anybody seen any images of a wrecked Black Hawk Helicopter in Pokrovsk? - er no.)
The ability to reinforce Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad certainly has been restored - loads of vids on it over the last day or so.
Russia will of couse push again but US sourced glide bombs and HIMRS missiles are being used in huge quantities at the moment and Russian artilary is being knocked out in the area in huge quantities.
The thing to worry about is Russian drones - they certainly have caught up!!!
 
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