Russian invasion of Ukraine

Once again... I've no fucking clue as to what's going on in this war due to hyper-partisan, unreliable reporting from both sides.

It seems to me that Russia has experienced some setbacks as of late, but hey-ho! -Russia will simply carry on.

At some point, I suppose, the war toll might become so extreme that Russian oligarchs arrange for a Putin defenestration... but this is speculative.

Meanwhile, the war grinds on - and Russia is showing no signs of fatigue.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Once again... I've no fucking clue as to what's going on in this war due to hyper-partisan, unreliable reporting from both sides.

It seems to me that Russia has experienced some setbacks as of late, but hey-ho! -Russia will simply carry on.

At some point, I suppose, the war toll might become so extreme that Russian oligarchs arrange for a Putin defenestration... but this is speculative.

Meanwhile, the war grinds on - and Russia is showing no signs of fatigue.
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And according to Sky News, Kyiv is getting bombed to fuck still and has been for hours, but nobody has said anything on here with the daily chronicles?

Weird as fuck
 
meeesh said:
And according to Sky News, Kyiv is getting bombed to fuck still and has been for hours, but nobody has said anything on here with the daily chronicles?

Weird as fuck
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Russia's missile and drone attack on Kyiv,was for a constant 10 hours.

Slava Ukraini.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
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This thread, IMO, is mostly full of exaggerated claims of Ukrainian success. Whereas Russia is simply grinding on and on and on... little by little gaining headway - and... Russia isn't committing its full effort towards the war - I think largely due to how unpopular the war with Afghanistan was.

I hate Putin. What he's done to Ukraine is abhorrent; he's invaded a non-aggressive neighbor, he's committed war crimes in the course of the war; and he's gas lighting Trump (especially) and anyone else gullible enough to believe his rhetoric that variously Ukraine is responsible for the war, that Russia desires peace, and that Ukraine belongs to Russia by tradition and thus that Russia has every right to incorporate Ukraine into its territory.
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What's being exaggerated exactly? Ukraine has forced russians out of Kupayansk and have retaken most parts of Pokrovsk.

Fucking hilarious you think they haven't committed to a full war effort, they are in a full wartime economy and are producing as many shaheds and FABs as possible as it is the only real thing they have success with.

Painfully ignorant to what is actually going on, it is a fully blown war of attrition where Ukraine are using drones to hold back the hordes of peasants putin sends. All russia can do is terrorise the civilians and inflitrate towns in small groups before being flushed out again. They have no armour and their artillery adavantage is in the mud. Now it is just down to who can out fund the other. But the losses are mainly russian, attack vs defence always goes like that.
 
Scottyboi said:
What's being exaggerated exactly? Ukraine has forced russians out of Kupayansk and have retaken most parts of Pokrovsk.

Fucking hilarious you think they haven't committed to a full war effort, they are in a full wartime economy and are producing as many shaheds and FABs as possible as it is the only real thing they have success with.

Painfully ignorant to what is actually going on, it is a fully blown war of attrition where Ukraine are using drones to hold back the hordes of peasants putin sends. All russia can do is terrorise the civilians and inflitrate towns in small groups before being flushed out again. They have no armour and their artillery adavantage is in the mud. Now it is just down to who can out fund the other. But the losses are mainly russian, attack vs defence always goes like that.
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It is indeed a war of attrition.

One in which Russia is commiting all of its jailed criminals and Korean reinforcements to a war in which they are ever so slowly making progress - with a bit of give here and take there - against a highly disadvantaged smaller neighbor.

I love Ukraine. Hate Putin.

The coverage on this thread is, however, skewed in favor of Ukraine, due to the sentiment of its posters.

On this thread, there's been months and months and months of posts about how well Ukraine is doing... and yet, the war grinds on and on. Russia is bigger and can throw many more bodys into the meat grinder. The status quo isn't favorable to Ukraine.

One wild card in all of this - is that It's not clear how long Putin can sustain the war given the obvious negative impact on Russia. So far, within Russia, the fear of opposing Putin is winning out to Putin's advantage. Some sort of coup might occur, nonetheless. Even so, its not at all clear that a Putin-successor would be any less aggressive towards Ukraine than Putin is.
 
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Saying the status quo isn't favourable to Ukraine assumes the loss exchange ratio being insufficient to overcome Russia's greater numbers, but that isn't necessarily the case.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
The coverage on this thread is, however, skewed in favor of Ukraine, due to the sentiment of its posters.
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Only if you click on the video's that are posted. I rarely bother as they are all from Ukraine sources, so bound to contain bias. However the reality is that nobody is gaianing much ground, and both sides are firing missiles and drones at each other, the difference is that russia launches them at civilians, and civilian infrastructure, whereas Ukraine hits military targets and oil/gas facilities, and weapons wharehouses, and that isn't bias reporting it's all out there if you look.
 
Europe will continue funding Ukraine because Ukraine’s war with Russia is depleting Russia’s military, as NATO watches on, learns from Russia poor military tactics, and invests and improves its own military forces and tactics.
 
jrb said:
Europe will continue funding Ukraine because Ukraine’s war with Russia is depleting Russia’s military, as NATO watches on, learns from Russia poor military tactics, and invests and improves its own military forces and tactics.
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Hopefully the Hungarian traitors get dealt with in 2026 too and that toad gets replaced.
 
Irwell said:
Saying the status quo isn't favourable to Ukraine assumes the loss exchange ratio being insufficient to overcome Russia's greater numbers, but that isn't necessarily the case.
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It certainly isn't enough for Russia to win by shear force of numbers.- their losses in the war far exceed the ratio of the Russian population to the Ukrainian population - a minimum pf 6-1 - possibly 10-1
 
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BlueAnorak said:
It certainly isn't enough for Russia to win by shear force of numbers.- their losses in the war far exceed the ratio of the Russian population to the Ukrainian population - a minimum pf 6-1 - possibly 10-1
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I call bullshit. No way that's accurate. A simple Google query indicates that Russia is estimated to be losing 2 soldiers to every 1 Ukrainian soldier and perhaps even more - say 2.5 to 1 - but 6-1 or 10-1... bullshit.

Look... the war is a total disaster for Russia and they are losing more soldiers than Ukraine.

Russian has a population of around 143 million as compared to Ukraine's roughly 33 million. Russian is much larger than Ukraine.

That said, Putin is handicapped in the war effort due to the massive casualties suffered during their war in Afghanistan. Putin can't simply declare a national draft and conscript the able-bodied into the army. Instead he must not upset the elite, and must tread carefully. So Putin offers clemency for criminals if they sign up for the war and offers large sums of money for others willing to join the army. Thus the potential pool of soldiers available to Russia is constrained. Putin has sought to overcome this by enticing Korea to join the fray.

The war grinds on - and on - and on. Due to sheer force of numbers, this is to Russia's advantage, assuming that Putin can keep the war going. On the other hand, the war is so detrimental to Russia that it's entirely conceivable that a coup could occur. Even so, it's not clear that a Putin successor would be any less adversarial towards Ukraine than Putin is.

At this point, I'm simply repeating the obvious as already stated in my previous posts. So I'll stop posting here until something very impactful occurs.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I call bullshit. No way that's accurate. A simple Google query indicates that Russia is estimated to be losing 2 soldiers to every 1 Ukrainian soldier and perhaps even more - say 2.5 to 1 - but 6-1 or 10-1... bullshit.

Look... the war is a total disaster for Russia and they are losing more soldiers than Ukraine.

Russian has a population of around 143 million as compared to Ukraine's roughly 33 million. Russian is much larger than Ukraine.

That said, Putin is handicapped in the war effort due to the massive casualties suffered during their war in Afghanistan. Putin can't simply declare a national draft and conscript the able-bodied into the army. Instead he must not upset the elite, and must tread carefully. So Putin offers clemency for criminals if they sign up for the war and offers large sums of money for others willing to join the army. Thus the potential pool of soldiers available to Russia is constrained. Putin has sought to overcome this by enticing Korea to join the fray.

The war grinds on - and on - and on. Due to sheer force of numbers, this is to Russia's advantage, assuming that Putin can keep the war going. On the other hand, the war is so detrimental to Russia that it's entirely conceivable that a coup could occur. Even so, it's not clear that a Putin successor would be any less adversarial towards Ukraine than Putin is.

At this point, I'm simply repeating the obvious as already stated in my previous posts. So I'll stop posting here until something very impactful occurs.
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Read all the estimates on Wikipedia and elsewhere - it's not bullshit at all.
I'll let you find them - they're not difficult to find at all.
Bottom line, Russia are gaining a small amount of ground in exchange for truely horrendous casualties, and that is NOT winning a war. There comes a point where these casualties are unsustainable.
 
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There seems to be a pattern with those saying this thread is pro Ukraine biased.
They say all the posts are painting a picture of Ukraine succeeding, and not much of Russia's successes.
They complain that any bad news is dismissed. And people make up Ukraines successes.
They then provide so called evidence of Russia's successes or Ukraine failings.
If they had this information in the first place, why do they need it posting here?
Use the internet and make your own mind up. Both sides lie, but i know who is the biggest liar.

This place isn't CNN for fucks sake!

So of course it's biased you fucking knobs!
Any right minded person would only side with a peaceful country when it is invaded, especially by a much larger country.
Again i will ask how does it help posting about any Russian successes? It is awful what Putin is doing.
Certain posters only come back when there is something to gloat about when they think the Ukraine is about to collapse. I would question their motives and morality.
Well they are still fighting. Maybe not winner per say, but still fighting. So if that upsets you, then good, job done!
 
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