RvP obsession?

RVP one injury free season and he scores a lot fair enough but we've been burnt signing a late 20's striker who seemed decent at Premier League level and what happened with RSC is indeed a warning RVP is a good player but way to big a risk
 
danburge82 said:
Helmet Cole said:
Great player, but nearly 30, £30 million transfer fee, £10million per year wages,and spent a lot of time injured which means he probably wont be doing a "sparky" and still banging them in at 34 yrs old.
Money pit - leave well alone.
That's what I think too!
I agree. Despite how good I think he is, I wouldn't pay above ~£18 million for him. I'm more concerned about United possibly getting him than us, they'd be much more dangerous with him in the side.


TCIB said:
Dzeko's Right Boot said:
TCIB said:
I disagree with that.

RVP is a top player indeed, i just feel the way they set up makes him look much more impressive.

His stats shows he runs a lot but it is ineffective when without the ball or running onto it infront of goal, when Sergio runs he is hassling a defender or getting the ball.
I don't see this much from rvp, he seems an out and out finisher where as Kun does that and a lot more imo.

Technically, RVP is the best striker in the world. He could score goals from anywhere on the pitch, which Kun couldn't do. Sure, Sergio is quicker and probably stronger than van Persie, but RVP also has a height advantage over Sergio. There's definitely some truth to what you say about how Arsenal are set up and how it helps RVP. I think he'd be much more effective at Arsenal than at us. But I feel that RVP is a more complete player at this time. Aguero can still improve the side of the game which RVP is better than him at (passing ability) and be the better overall player, but at the moment it's Robin who's better.


RVP can't score from anywhere on the pitch at all, he stays in the same area roughly for a start.

Kun's goal vs QPR, you NEVER see him do that.
If anything Kun can score from anywhere.

We shall agree to disagree :), i do agree that Kun can get even better though yeah.

Haha, I guess we will buddy. But this was from when van Persie was 23. (Sorry, I need any excuse to post this!) If Aguero scores a goal as good as this in the next season, then I'll happily eat my words.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzUQQQMIhUI&t=35s[/youtube]

EDIT: apparently the link isn't working, so click-through here <a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzUQQQMIhUI&t=35s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzUQQQMIhUI&t=35s</a>


jackrussel said:
Dzeko's Right Boot said:
TCIB said:
I disagree with that.

RVP is a top player indeed, i just feel the way they set up makes him look much more impressive.

His stats shows he runs a lot but it is ineffective when without the ball or running onto it infront of goal, when Sergio runs he is hassling a defender or getting the ball.
I don't see this much from rvp, he seems an out and out finisher where as Kun does that and a lot more imo.

Technically, RVP is the best striker in the world. He could score goals from anywhere on the pitch, which Kun couldn't do. Sure, Sergio is quicker and probably stronger than van Persie, but RVP also has a height advantage over Sergio. There's definitely some truth to what you say about how Arsenal are set up and how it helps RVP. I think he'd be much more effective at Arsenal than at us. But I feel that RVP is a more complete player at this time. Aguero can still improve the side of the game which RVP is better than him at (passing ability) and be the better overall player, but at the moment it's Robin who's better.
its took rvp 8 years to reach this standard kun has been here 5 minutes and its debateable who is the best stirker,and how many goals will kun score over 8 years?alot more than rvp has thats for sure.
I believe you'll find that I'm agreeing with you in the post you quoted.
 
Dzeko's Right Boot said:
I agree. Despite how good I think he is, I wouldn't pay above ~£18 million for him. I'm more concerned about United possibly getting him than us, they'd be much more dangerous with him in the side.
At his age, with his injury record, with him being in he final year of his contract... anyone would be stupid to pay much than £15m for him.
 
danburge82 said:
Dzeko's Right Boot said:
I agree. Despite how good I think he is, I wouldn't pay above ~£18 million for him. I'm more concerned about United possibly getting him than us, they'd be much more dangerous with him in the side.
At his age, with his injury record, with him being in he final year of his contract... anyone would be stupid to pay much than £15m for him.

It's not our money when all said and done...Mancini has to decide whether our current strikers can compete for the EPL and Europe??...I agree that Mancini should not be allowed to sign RVP without loosing Adebayour and probably Dzeko as our weakest striker...you have to ask who's doing the selling because it just isn't working.
 
Dzeko's Right Boot said:
Haha, I guess we will buddy. But this was from when van Persie was 23. (Sorry, I need any excuse to post this!) If Aguero scores a goal as good as this in the next season, then I'll happily eat my words.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzUQQQMIhUI&t[/youtube]
I'll see you for that and raise you this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbliibB0kA8&feature=related[/youtube]

Any decent striker can score in a nothing game against Charlton, winning the Premier League with the last kick of the match, Priceless!
 
He's a great player. But will he emulate last season?

Highly unlikely in my opinion.
 
Aphex said:
He's a great player. But will he emulate last season?

Highly unlikely in my opinion.
He's good. He's not great.

He'll almost certainly never have a season like he did last season. More likely to have just okay seasons like the previous ten before last.
 
Don't want him, but what's the chances he'll put a few past us playing somewhere else? In an ideal world he would go to the rags for £40mil and get an injury in training which will be attended to by Harold Shipman or the same lot that looked after Owen Hargreaves.
 
danburge82 said:
Aphex said:
He's a great player. But will he emulate last season?

Highly unlikely in my opinion.
He's good. He's not great.

He'll almost certainly never have a season like he did last season. More likely to have just okay seasons like the previous ten before last.

Exactly my thinking.

What him score 40 for the rags tho..
 
HA...HA...HA...he scores one game winner and now hes better......people really are unbelievable now a days....
 
schfc6 said:
Wait till we don't sign him, which we wont.,
City will be in crisis, the Sheikh is not interested any more. We will be facing any number of ludicrous headlines.
If RVP goes to United he will have chose them over us, United over money. Blah blah.

Is it me or have Arsenal only confirmed bids from United and Juve? I have not ready anywhere that we have bid. Or anywhere where the words 'reported' or 'supposed' have not been used to describe our bid.

Mancini and the club have reiterated time & time again that Dzeko & Tevez are not leaving and obviously Mario and Aguero will be going nowhere.

The media are desperate to report our interest in RVP. We can't win. If we do sign him (I believe there is no chance) we will be ruining the competitiveness of the Prem, if we don't sign him (which I hope we don't) we have lost out to United, they are still the force they always were and he chose United over money, all the while doubling his money and moving to a club with less chance of honours than City.

City and the media would made for the phrase, ignorance is bliss. Don't read, don't care.

I read that we had offered £12m, exceptionally low even considering he is out of contract next year. We paid £25m for Nasri in the same situation!

Personally I'd prefer that we didn't buy him. If Tevez is 100% committed then we have a decent balanced strike force, so lets stick to what we have. All we need in my opinion is decent cover at CB and possibly a speedy winger, a la Bale.
 
Yaya_Tony said:
Dzeko's Right Boot said:
c4lv3rt said:
Theres a gunner in the office who reckons RVP is better than our Sergio. Deluded...

He is...
Deluded? Yeah, right he is. If you could only choose one, blue tints off, it'd still be AGUEROOOO every time.

As would I, only because of age though. Ability-wise, RVP wins. Why am I even arguing this? No matter if we sign him or not, we'll still have the player I'd want more. :)
 
schfc6 said:
Is it me or have Arsenal only confirmed bids from United and Juve? I have not ready anywhere that we have bid. Or anywhere where the words 'reported' or 'supposed' have not been used to describe our bid.

The media are desperate to report our interest in RVP.
.

If we aren't interested we could always come out and say we don't want him.

Personally if we aren't bothered about signing him I'd stay involved just to force him out of Arsenal and effectively finish them. We are strong enough to cope with United if he goes there or we can certainly add to our squad but if he goes to Turin we weaken a rival and lose nothing.

Maybe I'm too cynical but a league without vP is better for us.
 
Dzeko's Right Boot said:
TCIB said:
Dzeko's Right Boot said:


I disagree with that.

RVP is a top player indeed, i just feel the way they set up makes him look much more impressive.

His stats shows he runs a lot but it is ineffective when without the ball or running onto it infront of goal, when Sergio runs he is hassling a defender or getting the ball.
I don't see this much from rvp, he seems an out and out finisher where as Kun does that and a lot more imo.

Technically, RVP is the best striker in the world. He could score goals from anywhere on the pitch, which Kun couldn't do. Sure, Sergio is quicker and probably stronger than van Persie, but RVP also has a height advantage over Sergio. There's definitely some truth to what you say about how Arsenal are set up and how it helps RVP. I think he'd be much more effective at Arsenal than at us. But I feel that RVP is a more complete player at this time. Aguero can still improve the side of the game which RVP is better than him at (passing ability) and be the better overall player, but at the moment it's Robin who's better.

Except when hes playing in an Orange kit.
 
maps said:
HA...HA...HA...he scores one game winner and now hes better......people really are unbelievable now a days....

One game winner, are you for real?

Name me another player who at just 23 moves to a new country and scores 30 goals in his first season including 2 on his debut and some very important goals i.e Villarreal and QPR.
 
maps said:
HA...HA...HA...he scores one game winner and now hes better......people really are unbelievable now a days....

RVP has got over 30 goals in one season just once in his career, which happened to be last season. It isn't because hes been injured all his career either. 04/05 10 goals in 41 games. 05/06 (same age as Aguero) 11 in 38 games. 08/09 20 in 40 games.

Fact is last season was his peak year, everything was played through him.
 
St Ives blue said:
I read that we had offered £12m, exceptionally low even considering he is out of contract next year. We paid £25m for Nasri in the same situation!

Same situation?

Nasri was 24 when we bought him, and thus has a SIGNIFICANT chance of being sold on for a significant fee. RvP will be 29 before the season starts and thus has ZERO chance of a significant sell-on value. Accordingly, the recoup of almost zero transfer fee, or a simple run out of his contract so he can get one last payday from somewhere, means a significant REDUCTION IN VALUE to the club.

Throw in his pay equation and at about £3-5M MORE than RvP every year of that contract, his transfer fee plus pay becomes ridiculous for a player with his history.

Season Year - League Appearances - Goals Scored

2004 - 26 - 5
2005 - 24 - 5
2006 - 22 - 11
2007 - 15 - 7
2008 - 28 - 11
2009 - 16 - 9
2010 - 25 - 18
2011 - 38 - 30

So, to recap, during his Arsenal Premier League CAREER, he has...

~ only played over 28 League GAMES in ONE SEASON
~ only scored more than 18 League GOALS in ONE SEASON


....and now EVERYONE seems to want to cash in on it!

I would much rather buy TWO quality young prospects and save MILLIONS in pay than plunk down anywhere close to £30M in transfer fees and £10.1M per year in Wages!

Personally, I think this move would be a "Typical City" of old, and is not the way Mansour and Khaldoon (and, it appears, Marwood!) want to run this club.

I would steer WELL CLEAR at these proposed prices.

Sorry, did not see immediately prior post as I was gathering data while it was being posted!
 

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