Sacking Mancini... was there even a choice?

[bigf42]

The more I think about this the more I am of the view that the issues this season have stemmed from the power vacuum at the club at the end of last season prior to Soriano taking over.

I think the owners were reluctant to commit soon enough in the window, and that executives, presumeably Marwood were totally in-effective.

From then Mancini has shot himself in the foot, he should have kept his issues internal to the club. I would guess he was playing politics with the new regime vs Marwood and co, and over played his hand.

Constantly going on about the squad not being good enough is bound to have an effect on the incumbents of said squad, and criticising players in public is a very bad thing to do, the strong managers cited on this site so often, Cloughie, Shanks, Fergie etc never slag off a player in public.

Back to the OP, could Mancini have turned this lot around next season - no he couldnt, should he of allowed the squad to get into this state in the first place, then no he should not of....

That said, I am more p&**(d off with the players than I am with Mancini, and even more with the piss poor leadership during the last transfer window.

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

spot on. so he upset players. slur alex has never done that has he? and clough revie shankley etc. ffs. mancini won us trophies. end of. so some prima donnas didn't like it that he didn't hug them. and imo joe hart should shut the fuck up and concentrate on his job and his distribution for instance rather than trying to be the manager as he was in madrid. feeling totally pissed off with the players as this season ends not the ex- manager who was in charge when we won things i never thought i would see in my lifetime.

Upsetting players for me isn't an issue, but I think he just upset everyone by all accounts, sometimes you need to pick your fights. As regards yesterday well imo that debacle can't be blamed on Mancini and the only people who should take the blame for that performance is the players themselves, although the substitution of Tevez (I can only assume he was injured) was pivitol as it has been in virtually every game this season. If I was him I would leave us in the summer thats for sure. Joe Hart yesterday showed that behind a second rate defence he's vulnerable. As soon as the team hasn't got Silva, Kompany and Aguero in it we become a very ordinary side, and that has to be rectified in the summer, plus the acquisition of a goalkeeper which can really challenge Hart for that number 1 spot. I don't know what it is, perhaps his youthful arrogance but I'm starting to get a downer on Hart. I don't want to but I just am.

 

[Bill]

Failing to register how the debacle against Norwich was Mancini's fault. Can we blame him for team selection, formation and failure to motivate the players - all the usual avenues of attack. Nope. The hated Mancini is gone, we should have been playing out of our skins yesterday. Instead, we get a sad lacklustre farce with some extremely shoddy goals conceded that would embarrass a pub team.

totally agree. from the selection alone we showed we were not interested, and Norwich knew that. bob would not have lost that game.<br /><br />-- Mon May 20, 2013 8:24 am --<br /><br />

If he'd been given another year then Kompany, Yaya & Aguero would all certainly have left and probably a few others as well.

quite possibly but had he got his players last year and he did win the double he would also got a lot further in the CL, those players would be mad to leave such a successful club.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

spot on. so he upset players. slur alex has never done that has he? and clough revie shankley etc. ffs. mancini won us trophies. end of. so some prima donnas didn't like it that he didn't hug them. and imo joe hart should shut the fuck up and concentrate on his job and his distribution for instance rather than trying to be the manager as he was in madrid. feeling totally pissed off with the players as this season ends not the ex- manager who was in charge when we won things i never thought i would see in my lifetime.

Upsetting players for me isn't an issue, but I think he just upset everyone by all accounts, sometimes you need to pick your fights. As regards yesterday well imo that debacle can't be blamed on Mancini and the only people who should take the blame for that performance is the players themselves, although the substitution of Tevez (I can only assume he was injured) was pivitol as it has been in virtually every game this season. If I was him I would leave us in the summer thats for sure. Joe Hart yesterday showed that behind a second rate defence he's vulnerable. As soon as the team hasn't got Silva, Kompany and Aguero in it we become a very ordinary side, and that has to be rectified in the summer, plus the acquisition of a goalkeeper which can really challenge Hart for that number 1 spot. I don't know what it is, perhaps his youthful arrogance but I'm starting to get a downer on Hart. I don't want to but I just am.

Mancini was never one to ponder on whether he was gonna win a fight - having an opinion that he verbalised was probably the issue. All part of his personality that when yer winning everything goes with the flow!

Silva is the catalyst for nearly everything we do. Remove him from the line up and we struggle, and how many teams now know that high pressing provides them with an easy route to three points.

Joe Hart has had a clutch of games where nothing seems to go right. The seasons we won the FArce Cup and the title I thought he was invincible but the world class saves that win yer cups and titles appear to have disappeared. I'm certain that the players with a bit of bottle will come back stronger next season and we'll be a lot better for it!

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Had he been given his players last august we'd now be sat here with a double under our belt.he'd still be unpopular but he would still be a winner. I'd have taken that.

Agree 100% he's a manager the players have enough friends. I doubt Fergie cared about upsetting egos

There's a world of difference between letting rip with the odd private hairdryer, and systematically undermining your players in public and being so generally unapproachable and unreasonable that you even manage to make an enemy out of someone as personable as Vincent Kompany, never mind pissing off virtually everyone else at the club

 

[blueinsa]

Its not about being mates or liked, its about commanding respect and without that, you have no chance.

The pisscan is famed for his hair dryer treatments but he commands respect from his players and those that refuse are binned.

He got away with his style because it was only ever one or two bad eggs at a time whilst the rest towed the line but make no mistake, had he lost the respect of the majority which it seems Bob did, he too would have been a gonner.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

Players have to taket he blame.

No twoways about it

If its true about the player revolt against the manager then they all should be ashamed and that includes kompany whos supoosed to lead by example. If i was khaladoon i would have transfer listed those players. Disruption is not what we need! Who knows they might do the same if Pelle is incharge. Spoilt brats

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Players have to taket he blame.

No twoways about it

If its true about the player revolt against the manager then they all should be ashamed and that includes kompany whos supoosed to lead by example. If i was khaladoon i would have transfer listed those players. Disruption is not what we need! Who knows they might do the same if Pelle is incharge. Spoilt brats

So if the player revolt was true you would of transfer listed our No1 goalkeeper, 1 of the best defenders in the world and 2 world class strikers instead of like every oher club thinking that the manager may be the problem. Falling out with players is one thing that happens falling out with the team means the manager is the problem

 

[yerwot?]

The loss against Norwich, or in truth the manner of it, the team selection, Tevez's farewell message, unexplained omissions, scream out a first team squad in turmoil. When a manager is sacked, there will be inners and outers among the players, it's inevitable. Team spirit, which was excellent against Reading was non-existent against an honest but average Norwich side. Apart from Rodwells goals we had the look of a team facing relegation. Something pretty serious has happened imo
Regarding RM, once the owner/khaldoon had bought into the director of football model it was a case of when not if, Bobby is old-school and stubborn as a mule, would not/ could not play second fiddle to any one, and he had cups to back his method; it came down to back me or sack me.
To be in charge of such a large organisation as a premier league club, the choice of assistants is crucial, not sure RM got that right tbh, especially on the medical/fitness side .

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Players have to taket he blame.

No twoways about it

If its true about the player revolt against the manager then they all should be ashamed and that includes kompany whos supoosed to lead by example. If i was khaladoon i would have transfer listed those players. Disruption is not what we need! Who knows they might do the same if Pelle is incharge. Spoilt brats

You can use that argument if it's one or two being disruptive but when you've alienated virtually all your first team squad, many of your coaching and backroom staff, the former doctor, the former and current DoF, the CEO, the Head of Communications and quite possibly the owner as well then you might have to accept you're the problem.