Sacking Mancini... was there even a choice?

[bigf42]

The more I think about this the more I am of the view that the issues this season have stemmed from the power vacuum at the club at the end of last season prior to Soriano taking over.

I think the owners were reluctant to commit soon enough in the window, and that executives, presumeably Marwood were totally in-effective.

From then Mancini has shot himself in the foot, he should have kept his issues internal to the club. I would guess he was playing politics with the new regime vs Marwood and co, and over played his hand.

Constantly going on about the squad not being good enough is bound to have an effect on the incumbents of said squad, and criticising players in public is a very bad thing to do, the strong managers cited on this site so often, Cloughie, Shanks, Fergie etc never slag off a player in public.

Back to the OP, could Mancini have turned this lot around next season - no he couldnt, should he of allowed the squad to get into this state in the first place, then no he should not of....

That said, I am more p&**(d off with the players than I am with Mancini, and even more with the piss poor leadership during the last transfer window.

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

spot on. so he upset players. slur alex has never done that has he? and clough revie shankley etc. ffs. mancini won us trophies. end of. so some prima donnas didn't like it that he didn't hug them. and imo joe hart should shut the fuck up and concentrate on his job and his distribution for instance rather than trying to be the manager as he was in madrid. feeling totally pissed off with the players as this season ends not the ex- manager who was in charge when we won things i never thought i would see in my lifetime.

Upsetting players for me isn't an issue, but I think he just upset everyone by all accounts, sometimes you need to pick your fights. As regards yesterday well imo that debacle can't be blamed on Mancini and the only people who should take the blame for that performance is the players themselves, although the substitution of Tevez (I can only assume he was injured) was pivitol as it has been in virtually every game this season. If I was him I would leave us in the summer thats for sure. Joe Hart yesterday showed that behind a second rate defence he's vulnerable. As soon as the team hasn't got Silva, Kompany and Aguero in it we become a very ordinary side, and that has to be rectified in the summer, plus the acquisition of a goalkeeper which can really challenge Hart for that number 1 spot. I don't know what it is, perhaps his youthful arrogance but I'm starting to get a downer on Hart. I don't want to but I just am.

 

[Bill]

Failing to register how the debacle against Norwich was Mancini's fault. Can we blame him for team selection, formation and failure to motivate the players - all the usual avenues of attack. Nope. The hated Mancini is gone, we should have been playing out of our skins yesterday. Instead, we get a sad lacklustre farce with some extremely shoddy goals conceded that would embarrass a pub team.

totally agree. from the selection alone we showed we were not interested, and Norwich knew that. bob would not have lost that game.<br /><br />-- Mon May 20, 2013 8:24 am --<br /><br />

If he'd been given another year then Kompany, Yaya & Aguero would all certainly have left and probably a few others as well.

quite possibly but had he got his players last year and he did win the double he would also got a lot further in the CL, those players would be mad to leave such a successful club.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

spot on. so he upset players. slur alex has never done that has he? and clough revie shankley etc. ffs. mancini won us trophies. end of. so some prima donnas didn't like it that he didn't hug them. and imo joe hart should shut the fuck up and concentrate on his job and his distribution for instance rather than trying to be the manager as he was in madrid. feeling totally pissed off with the players as this season ends not the ex- manager who was in charge when we won things i never thought i would see in my lifetime.

Upsetting players for me isn't an issue, but I think he just upset everyone by all accounts, sometimes you need to pick your fights. As regards yesterday well imo that debacle can't be blamed on Mancini and the only people who should take the blame for that performance is the players themselves, although the substitution of Tevez (I can only assume he was injured) was pivitol as it has been in virtually every game this season. If I was him I would leave us in the summer thats for sure. Joe Hart yesterday showed that behind a second rate defence he's vulnerable. As soon as the team hasn't got Silva, Kompany and Aguero in it we become a very ordinary side, and that has to be rectified in the summer, plus the acquisition of a goalkeeper which can really challenge Hart for that number 1 spot. I don't know what it is, perhaps his youthful arrogance but I'm starting to get a downer on Hart. I don't want to but I just am.

Mancini was never one to ponder on whether he was gonna win a fight - having an opinion that he verbalised was probably the issue. All part of his personality that when yer winning everything goes with the flow!

Silva is the catalyst for nearly everything we do. Remove him from the line up and we struggle, and how many teams now know that high pressing provides them with an easy route to three points.

Joe Hart has had a clutch of games where nothing seems to go right. The seasons we won the FArce Cup and the title I thought he was invincible but the world class saves that win yer cups and titles appear to have disappeared. I'm certain that the players with a bit of bottle will come back stronger next season and we'll be a lot better for it!

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Had he been given his players last august we'd now be sat here with a double under our belt.he'd still be unpopular but he would still be a winner. I'd have taken that.

Agree 100% he's a manager the players have enough friends. I doubt Fergie cared about upsetting egos

There's a world of difference between letting rip with the odd private hairdryer, and systematically undermining your players in public and being so generally unapproachable and unreasonable that you even manage to make an enemy out of someone as personable as Vincent Kompany, never mind pissing off virtually everyone else at the club

 

[blueinsa]

Its not about being mates or liked, its about commanding respect and without that, you have no chance.

The pisscan is famed for his hair dryer treatments but he commands respect from his players and those that refuse are binned.

He got away with his style because it was only ever one or two bad eggs at a time whilst the rest towed the line but make no mistake, had he lost the respect of the majority which it seems Bob did, he too would have been a gonner.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

Players have to taket he blame.

No twoways about it

If its true about the player revolt against the manager then they all should be ashamed and that includes kompany whos supoosed to lead by example. If i was khaladoon i would have transfer listed those players. Disruption is not what we need! Who knows they might do the same if Pelle is incharge. Spoilt brats

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Players have to taket he blame.

No twoways about it

If its true about the player revolt against the manager then they all should be ashamed and that includes kompany whos supoosed to lead by example. If i was khaladoon i would have transfer listed those players. Disruption is not what we need! Who knows they might do the same if Pelle is incharge. Spoilt brats

So if the player revolt was true you would of transfer listed our No1 goalkeeper, 1 of the best defenders in the world and 2 world class strikers instead of like every oher club thinking that the manager may be the problem. Falling out with players is one thing that happens falling out with the team means the manager is the problem

 

[yerwot?]

The loss against Norwich, or in truth the manner of it, the team selection, Tevez's farewell message, unexplained omissions, scream out a first team squad in turmoil. When a manager is sacked, there will be inners and outers among the players, it's inevitable. Team spirit, which was excellent against Reading was non-existent against an honest but average Norwich side. Apart from Rodwells goals we had the look of a team facing relegation. Something pretty serious has happened imo
Regarding RM, once the owner/khaldoon had bought into the director of football model it was a case of when not if, Bobby is old-school and stubborn as a mule, would not/ could not play second fiddle to any one, and he had cups to back his method; it came down to back me or sack me.
To be in charge of such a large organisation as a premier league club, the choice of assistants is crucial, not sure RM got that right tbh, especially on the medical/fitness side .

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Players have to taket he blame.

No twoways about it

If its true about the player revolt against the manager then they all should be ashamed and that includes kompany whos supoosed to lead by example. If i was khaladoon i would have transfer listed those players. Disruption is not what we need! Who knows they might do the same if Pelle is incharge. Spoilt brats

You can use that argument if it's one or two being disruptive but when you've alienated virtually all your first team squad, many of your coaching and backroom staff, the former doctor, the former and current DoF, the CEO, the Head of Communications and quite possibly the owner as well then you might have to accept you're the problem.

 

[BringBackSwales]

If he'd been given another year then Kompany, Yaya & Aguero would all certainly have left and probably a few others as well.

even though Yaya is quoted as having been the one (one of the ones) who stuck up for Mancini?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

If he'd been given another year then Kompany, Yaya & Aguero would all certainly have left and probably a few others as well.

even though Yaya is quoted as having been the one (one of the ones) who stuck up for Mancini?

I simply don't believe that story. I believe the final decision to sack Mancini was taken around April 3rd. Two days later Yaya agreed to sign a new contract.

 

[BringBackSwales]

If he'd been given another year then Kompany, Yaya & Aguero would all certainly have left and probably a few others as well.

even though Yaya is quoted as having been the one (one of the ones) who stuck up for Mancini?

I simply don't believe that story. I believe the final decision to sack Mancini was taken around April 3rd. Two days later Yaya agreed to sign a new contract.

But as your last post suggests, you do believe some stories and you say that nearly every first team player wanted him out - how do you KNOW all these stories are true? (and I am not having a pop by the way)

 

[Sir peace frog]

spot on. so he upset players. slur alex has never done that has he? and clough revie shankley etc. ffs. mancini won us trophies. end of. so some prima donnas didn't like it that he didn't hug them. and imo joe hart should shut the fuck up and concentrate on his job and his distribution for instance rather than trying to be the manager as he was in madrid. feeling totally pissed off with the players as this season ends not the ex- manager who was in charge when we won things i never thought i would see in my lifetime.

Upsetting players for me isn't an issue, but I think he just upset everyone by all accounts, sometimes you need to pick your fights. As regards yesterday well imo that debacle can't be blamed on Mancini and the only people who should take the blame for that performance is the players themselves, although the substitution of Tevez (I can only assume he was injured) was pivitol as it has been in virtually every game this season. If I was him I would leave us in the summer thats for sure. Joe Hart yesterday showed that behind a second rate defence he's vulnerable. As soon as the team hasn't got Silva, Kompany and Aguero in it we become a very ordinary side, and that has to be rectified in the summer, plus the acquisition of a goalkeeper which can really challenge Hart for that number 1 spot. I don't know what it is, perhaps his youthful arrogance but I'm starting to get a downer on Hart. I don't want to but I just am.

your stating the bleeding obvious,if we didnt have hart,kompany,yaya,aguero ect ect ect,we do have them and we are not an average team.

as for hart and having a downer,take a look at yesterdays defending,lescott and richards fucking diabolical,now can people see why lescott was fucked off this season for nasty,he is like a piece of wood.

 

[adrianr]

Failing to register how the debacle against Norwich was Mancini's fault. Can we blame him for team selection, formation and failure to motivate the players - all the usual avenues of attack. Nope. The hated Mancini is gone, we should have been playing out of our skins yesterday. Instead, we get a sad lacklustre farce with some extremely shoddy goals conceded that would embarrass a pub team.

totally agree. from the selection alone we showed we were not interested, and Norwich knew that. bob would not have lost that game.

-- Mon May 20, 2013 8:24 am --

If he'd been given another year then Kompany, Yaya & Aguero would all certainly have left and probably a few others as well.

quite possibly but had he got his players last year and he did win the double he would also got a lot further in the CL, those players would be mad to leave such a successful club.

To be fair with the exclusion of possibly Yaya (dependent on wages) any of them know they could walk into an equally successful club tomorrow if they wanted. Mancini should have got some first choice targets but should have also been able to both motivate the same group of players for a second tilt at the title and adapted our play more intelligently (rather than persisting with a 3-5-2 system everyone noticeably hated nor properly understood).

And the comparisons with Mourinho can continue, though we're not having problems with the players now because they all loved Mancini and didn't want him to leave, we're having problems because the working environment was so tense and destructive everyone is biting each others heads off. We need to get Pellegrini and his team in asap to plug these holes because if we let it fester over summer we're going to start the season like shit and be out of the race before you know it.

 

[BringBackSwales]

If he'd been given another year then Kompany, Yaya & Aguero would all certainly have left and probably a few others as well.

even though Yaya is quoted as having been the one (one of the ones) who stuck up for Mancini?

I simply don't believe that story. I believe the final decision to sack Mancini was taken around April 3rd. Two days later Yaya agreed to sign a new contract.

as you seem to be well informed PB (and again I am not having a go at you) there were 2 rumours I heard this season regarding team morale (1) Southampton away - Kompany was injured, Zaba had been stand in captain, then Yaya came back and was immediately made captain over Zaba - I heard a lot of the first team players were really pissed off by this, and certainly the performance was extremely poor and half hearted - do you believe there was anything in this? (2) the shit really hit the fan the Friday before the cup final, and I heard tell that it went down hugely badly with the players that Pantimillion was not being selected to play, and that may have had a significant bearing on this - any truth in that to the best of your knowledge?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

even though Yaya is quoted as having been the one (one of the ones) who stuck up for Mancini?

I simply don't believe that story. I believe the final decision to sack Mancini was taken around April 3rd. Two days later Yaya agreed to sign a new contract.

as you seem to be well informed PB (and again I am not having a go at you) there were 2 rumours I heard this season regarding team morale (1) Southampton away - Kompany was injured, Zaba had been stand in captain, then Yaya came back and was immediately made captain over Zaba - I heard a lot of the first team players were really pissed off by this, and certainly the performance was extremely poor and half hearted - do you believe there was anything in this? (2) the shit really hit the fan the Friday before the cup final, and I heard tell that it went down hugely badly with the players that Pantimillion was not being selected to play, and that may have had a significant bearing on this - any truth in that to the best of your knowledge?

Making Yaya captain was a shocker of a decision in my opinion. Can't imagine why he did that but I guess there might be something in the fact that Yaya tried to stick up for him. After all, he always played and was never subbed.

His treatment of Pants was shocking as well, having told him he would be playing. I had heard they were also upset about his treatment of Lescott.

You can afford to upset people while your results speak for themselves but when they don't, you won't have many friends to support you.

 

[BringBackSwales]

I simply don't believe that story. I believe the final decision to sack Mancini was taken around April 3rd. Two days later Yaya agreed to sign a new contract.

as you seem to be well informed PB (and again I am not having a go at you) there were 2 rumours I heard this season regarding team morale (1) Southampton away - Kompany was injured, Zaba had been stand in captain, then Yaya came back and was immediately made captain over Zaba - I heard a lot of the first team players were really pissed off by this, and certainly the performance was extremely poor and half hearted - do you believe there was anything in this? (2) the shit really hit the fan the Friday before the cup final, and I heard tell that it went down hugely badly with the players that Pantimillion was not being selected to play, and that may have had a significant bearing on this - any truth in that to the best of your knowledge?

Making Yaya captain was a shocker of a decision in my opinion. Can't imagine why he did that but I guess there might be something in the fact that Yaya tried to stick up for him. After all, he always played and was never subbed.

His treatment of Pants was shocking as well, having told him he would be playing. I had heard they were also upset about his treatment of Lescott.

You can afford to upset people while your results speak for themselves but when they don't, you won't have many friends to support you.

I hear what you are saying, and as you know I do not agree with you. I have never in 5k posts been critical of City players before, but I tend to think that their recent behaviour has been a disgrace if they have deliberately not played their hearts out. Regarding Pants I actually am one of the few who shared Bobby's view - I think he would have played had he not (apparently) opened up to the media about wanting to leave at the end of the season - that was a silly thing to do, although it may well have been without bad intention, but he immediately made it a different decision for Bobby - do I play the guy who has told the world he wants to leave and piss off the guy who is staying or not - I would have played Hart (but I may have been wrong too!). For sure we seem to have a squad with significant amounts of disunity, unlike the scum and Chelsea, and I reckon the new manager will have to work miracles for us to win the title next year, but let's hope he does

 

[Anonymous]

When even support/behind the scenes staff are celebrating the managers departure then it's very apparent something was badly wrong with his management and personality.

Moral was on its arse.

The way to improve "moral" is with an "e".

 

[BringBackSwales]

When even support/behind the scenes staff are celebrating the managers departure then it's very apparent something was badly wrong with his management and personality.

Moral was on its arse.

The way to improve "moral" is with an "e".

I was going to mention that too but I have found it is just best to ignore him mate - he just goes on and on about how shit Mancini was, apparently winning the PL is easy