Sacking Mancini... was there even a choice?

[Anonymous]

Perhaps it's just a question of picking up the pieces and gathering the players together and working through a pre-season together to get it all back.

I think people are worrying too much. Obviously the owners/board felt Mancini was a problem and had to be removed. Now that he has been removed then the expectation of a happier, more stable camp is what we should look forward to.

Being a total dick to your players isn't the only way to motivate them so I've no fears of the new guy not being able to get what Mancini got out of the players. If anything I think we will see more out of the squad overall than we did under Roberto. It's definitely an exciting time rather than a worrying one - for me anyway.

 

[crystal_mais]

The biggest problem we have is. We have tried to buy too many world class players and then tried to shove them into the team.

All world class players have big egos - add that to an egotistical stubborn confrontational manager = recipe for disaster when things are not going well.

I think the players need to be give a dressing down around this episode. We should not let them get away with as have some at Chelsea. If that means some of them paying the price by being shipped out then so be it.

That should set a precedent for future conduct of manager and players.

The reason Ferguson, Moyes, Wenger et al have such longevity is the core of the team (85-90%) have all been team players, workers (not world beaters) etc and kept his dressing room control. Ferguson & Wenger only added the odd ego into their teams. It made it easier when he needed to get rid if they stepped out of line. But these guys were/are excellent man managers - everything kept in house

Lets look forward to the future. I'd rather build a team not fill it with all Cat A players and try and get it to work

 

[Marvin]

Perhaps it's just a question of picking up the pieces and gathering the players together and working through a pre-season together to get it all back.

I think people are worrying too much. Obviously the owners/board felt Mancini was a problem and had to be removed. Now that he has been removed then the expectation of a happier, more stable camp is what we should look forward to.

Being a total dick to your players isn't the only way to motivate them so I've no fears of the new guy not being able to get what Mancini got out of the players. If anything I think we will see more out of the squad overall than we did under Roberto. It's definitely an exciting time rather than a worrying one - for me anyway.

Good. I want to hear rational explanations of where we are and what's missing from our game.

Maybe we underestimate the mental effect on the players of losing a manager and a Cup Final. Maybe what I thought I saw as arrogant players who don't are are actually mentally exhausted players who have nothing left in the tank.

 

[Blue2112]

I can't for one second see the British press allowing Pellegrini a season to tinker and not win anything before the comparisons to Mancini's success's are aired. For the first time ever I almost walked out before yesterdays lap of honour but I didn't because I love this club and yet it was pitiful clapping players who looked like they wanted to be on a beach in Dubai somewhere and fuck that stupid banner off in future thanking us for our support. We all know what the lap of honour is about.

Mancini was a gonner this season even if he'd have won a double because he wouldn't conform to the 'holistic' approach which I keep reading will bring untold rewards to the club down the years. Anything else I read is merely just being used as leverage to substantiate the decision. If it's so fucking easy as that why isn't everybody else doing it?

The Rags backed Fergie all the way when he had problems with player's in his early years. They let him sort it out and win the battles and it's constantly brought up how every player that goes there knows he's the boss. I guess Mancini wanted to rule here and who knows in time maybe he would have mellowed somewhat but we'll never know.

So on we go but it does concern me that I had a vision of City's boardroom being an ultra professional group of people but after the developments and smear campaigns this past week I seriously have to worry. It's very easy to say these people know what they're doing, so far I'm yet to be convinced. Yesterday like in the cup final I looked at them all stood in line - The Men and Women Stood In Black Suits looking all business like as if they were attending some fucking funeral all serious like. Too much politics, cloak and dagger stuff for me and it just looks like a personal battle between them all for power.

 

[argyle]

Players spitting there dummy out got Bobby the sack. What a joke. It went under the radar that most of the fans had done one me included for the lap of honer. No honer in this lot I'm sorry. When players have this much power it's wrong.

I heard Noel Gallagher say "if we need to get someone in to pamper the players then so be it, it's there club". Errrr sorry I thought it was our club, another one out of touch.

No manager over 60 has ever lasted more than one year at a big European club fact. Well be luck to get forth next year.

Club sold it's soul. The sooner fan see that we don't matter anymore then and only then can they see whats going on. Just loot at the evening news with the disabled fan.

Someone start FC City.

Is the above poster Colin Schindler or a rag?

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I can't for one second see the British press allowing Pellegrini a season to tinker and not win anything before the comparisons to Mancini's success's are aired. For the first time ever I almost walked out before yesterdays lap of honour but I didn't because I love this club and yet it was pitiful clapping players who looked like they wanted to be on a beach in Dubai somewhere and fuck that stupid banner off in future thanking us for our support. We all know what the lap of honour is about.

Mancini was a gonner this season even if he'd have won a double because he wouldn't conform to the 'holistic' approach which I keep reading will bring untold rewards to the club down the years. If it's so fucking easy as that why isn't everybody else doing it?

The Rags backed Fergie all the way when he had problems with player's in his early years. They let him sort it out and win the battles and it's constantly brought up how every player that goes there knows he's the boss. I guess Mancini wanted to rule here and who knows in time maybe he would have mellowed somewhat but we'll never know.

So on we go but it does concern me that I had a vision of City's boardroom being an ultra professional group of people but after the developments and smear campaigns this past week I seriously have to worry. It's very easy to say these people know what they're doing, so far I'm yet to be convinced. Yesterday like in the cup final I looked at them all stood in line - The Men and Women Stood In Black Suits looking all business like as if they were attending some fucking funeral all serious like. Too much politics, cloak and dagger stuff for me and it just looks like a personal battle between them all for power.

I'm actually nostalgic for the simplified management structure where we had an openly enthusiastic CEO who clearly wanted to make City great and understood what the fans wanted. The current politburo doesn't inspire confidence or even communicate their intentions yet.

 

[Anonymous]

I can't for one second see the British press allowing Pellegrini a season to tinker and not win anything before the comparisons to Mancini's success's are aired. For the first time ever I almost walked out before yesterdays lap of honour but I didn't because I love this club and yet it was pitiful clapping players who looked like they wanted to be on a beach in Dubai somewhere and fuck that stupid banner off in future thanking us for our support. We all know what the lap of honour is about.

Mancini was a gonner this season even if he'd have won a double because he wouldn't conform to the 'holistic' approach which I keep reading will bring untold rewards to the club down the years. Anything else I read is merely just being used as leverage to substantiate the decision. If it's so fucking easy as that why isn't everybody else doing it?

The Rags backed Fergie all the way when he had problems with player's in his early years. They let him sort it out and win the battles and it's constantly brought up how every player that goes there knows he's the boss. I guess Mancini wanted to rule here and who knows in time maybe he would have mellowed somewhat but we'll never know.

So on we go but it does concern me that I had a vision of City's boardroom being an ultra professional group of people but after the developments and smear campaigns this past week I seriously have to worry. It's very easy to say these people know what they're doing, so far I'm yet to be convinced. Yesterday like in the cup final I looked at them all stood in line - The Men and Women Stood In Black Suits looking all business like as if they were attending some fucking funeral all serious like. Too much politics, cloak and dagger stuff for me and it just looks like a personal battle between them all for power.

Josh, c'mon don't you think that's a bit naive and bit selective in how you view what's gone on. The use of the phrase "holistic approach" was simply a polite way of saying "we want a manager who the players actually want to work with, and who wants to work under the organisational structure we're implementing".

Regarding the politics at the club, we needed political power and influence at the highest level of football administration so that we have a bigger voice at UEFA. We also needed a director of football to ensure that the mistakes of previous regimes' with regards to player acquisition are not made again. Of course within the microcosm that is the week just gone it's easy to see them as faceless bureaucrats on a power trip, but the reality is quite far removed from that and the long term benefits of having Ferran and Txiki will dwarf your current concerns about things being too political.

The fact is that the Mancini situation was one that it was always going to be tricky for the owners to extricate themselves from without pissing a lot of supporters off. I'm sure they didn't set out for us to lose the FA cup or have quite the week we've had, but equally I'm sure that they will have been prepared for what's happened and they'll see it as short term pain for long term gain.

 

[BobKowalski]

I can't for one second see the British press allowing Pellegrini a season to tinker and not win anything before the comparisons to Mancini's success's are aired. For the first time ever I almost walked out before yesterdays lap of honour but I didn't because I love this club and yet it was pitiful clapping players who looked like they wanted to be on a beach in Dubai somewhere and fuck that stupid banner off in future thanking us for our support. We all know what the lap of honour is about.

Mancini was a gonner this season even if he'd have won a double because he wouldn't conform to the 'holistic' approach which I keep reading will bring untold rewards to the club down the years. If it's so fucking easy as that why isn't everybody else doing it?

The Rags backed Fergie all the way when he had problems with player's in his early years. They let him sort it out and win the battles and it's constantly brought up how every player that goes there knows he's the boss. I guess Mancini wanted to rule here and who knows in time maybe he would have mellowed somewhat but we'll never know.

So on we go but it does concern me that I had a vision of City's boardroom being an ultra professional group of people but after the developments and smear campaigns this past week I seriously have to worry. It's very easy to say these people know what they're doing, so far I'm yet to be convinced. Yesterday like in the cup final I looked at them all stood in line - The Men and Women Stood In Black Suits looking all business like as if they were attending some fucking funeral all serious like. Too much politics, cloak and dagger stuff for me and it just looks like a personal battle between them all for power.

I'm actually nostalgic for the simplified management structure where we had an openly enthusiastic CEO who clearly wanted to make City great and understood what the fans wanted. The current politburo doesn't inspire confidence or even communicate their intentions yet.

Harsh to say they don't communicate their intentions. There is usually a weekly bulletin in the Spanish media.

 

[BobKowalski]

... I'm sure they didn't set out for us to lose the FA cup or have quite the week we've had, but equally I'm sure that they will have been prepared for what's happened and they'll see it as short term pain for long term gain.

Well thats decent of them. I now feel much better about losing the FA Cup comforted in the knowledge it was for the greater good. Although I would have been much happier actually winning the thing and then waving goodbye to Mancini at season end. Yeah I know I'm a fickle bastard.

 

[Bluemoonbaldboy]

Till players autobiographies hit the book stores in 10-15 years we will never know the full truth. Rumours were going round he was alienating players before the FA Cup win indeed Bellamy confirmed he didn't like the man or his methods. Yet more talk of dressing room discontent have come out since the sacking it really does like the club had zero option but to get rid. Or they faced players asking for moves. Its a strange emotional mix grateful for the success he brought but by all accounts there really wasn't a choice if the rumours are true.