safe standing

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

wouldnt it have to go through parliment first

No. It's not the Law.

Correct, it is not legislation just a regulation.
It would need the home secretary or minister for sport to stand up in Parliament and announce the relaxation in the regulation though, just like when David Mellor stood up and announced that the all seater rule would not apply to the 3rd and 4th divison grounds (after initially they were also to go all seated with the top two tiers).

I've also heard Celtic are bringing standing in too - as Scotland did not come under the all seated regulation, only clubs in England and Wales.
The Scottish FA was, however, forced to introduce a ''voluntary'' rule of entry into the SPL having an all seated stadium or the government would force the Football Licensing Authority upon them.
Now Scotland has its own parliament, that pressure from the UK government means fuck all.

 

[pace89]

wouldnt it have to go through parliment first

No. It's not the Law.

The Football Spectators Act 1989 essentially requires that stadia are all seater. The mechanism for this is the licensing arrangement for a football ground. The requirements of the license are stipulated by the Secretary of State via a statutory instrument. Therefore, for example, when Brighton moved to their new ground there was a statutory instrument in the name of the Secretary of State saying that the ground could only accommodate supporters in seated areas.

It is possible, however, that secondary legislation (a statutory instrument) could be used to change the licensing arrangements for football grounds in order to permit a safe-standing trial. Statutory Instruments don’t require the same degree of parliamentary approval as a Bill and once drafted only take 40 days to pass through parliament.

Theoretically, therefore, it would be possible for regulations to come in to force for next season that would permit a trial.

 

[blueparrot]

Maybe they want to put it in the section that actually creates some atmosphere...?

Just saying...

Maybe people would relocate, can't see city allowing standing in seated areas if there's a safe standing area available.

Maybe if/when they put a full section in they will, but I can't see them even trying to do it during a 2 section "trial".

If any trial is implemented permanently I expect it to be tied in with any expansion plans, I sure they wouldn't want to have mass relocations more than they need to.

 

[Why Always Ste]

I just cannot see this rumour of having a small Trial in Block 109 as described by a few actually taking place.
So the Rows closer to front will remain with their normal seats, but rows at the back will have the new German style Safe Standing with a barrier on each row.

This would not happen as I'm %100 adamant the problems occurring are with supporters in the front rows being told to Sit. %90+ are stood up.

If the Trial does go ahead it would be either for the front row supporters in this block or the full block all together.

in an Ideal world City would introduce a full stand where Safe Standing is located.
This allows for more people in one specific area, thus allowing for the pricing to be reduced and welcoming back people who have been priced out of attending games.

I'm in 109, Yes I do stand, and Yes I was banned because of this for 3 games :(

Why do I want to stand?
The atmosphere significantly improves when fans are stood.
I have a Seasoncard in this area specifically because the atmosphere is better than other areas of the ground.
When we are told to sit the atmosphere drastically decreases and we are left in silence with no singing/enjoyment.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

If they are letting fans at the back of a block stand yet insist those at the front sit, then there must be some form of a surge restraint/barrier being placed directly behind the seats at the front or you would get fans falling over the tops of seated (if they ever sit down) fans with very dangerous consequences.

I can't think of standing fans behind seated fans in the same block anywhere in world football!

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That page illustrates how it would work.

I like the idea of bolting seats into place. Should stop certain visitors ripping up seats for missiles.

 

[M18CTID]

wouldnt it have to go through parliment first

No. It's not the Law.

Correct, it is not legislation just a regulation.
It would need the home secretary or minister for sport to stand up in Parliament and announce the relaxation in the regulation though, just like when David Mellor stood up and announced that the all seater rule would not apply to the 3rd and 4th divison grounds (after initially they were also to go all seated with the top two tiers).

I've also heard Celtic are bringing standing in too - as Scotland did not come under the all seated regulation, only clubs in England and Wales.
The Scottish FA was, however, forced to introduce a ''voluntary'' rule of entry into the SPL having an all seated stadium or the government would force the Football Licensing Authority upon them.
Now Scotland has its own parliament, that pressure from the UK government means fuck all.

So basically it wouldn't actually take too much to get the legislation changed then? That's encouraging.

I know you're a long-standing (pardon the pun) campaigner for safe standing areas - do you feel that this is now a lot closer to happening than it was a few years ago? It seems to me that there has been a lot more momentum of late, and if the OP has got it right then we're hopefully close to seeing a return to standing areas in top flight football, if only on an initial trial basis.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Would be great if city can get safe standing

Even greater as the rags say they can't entertain the idea as their ground is unsuitable for standing. We'll have the atmosphere and they'll have the tourists!

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

No. It's not the Law.

Correct, it is not legislation just a regulation.
It would need the home secretary or minister for sport to stand up in Parliament and announce the relaxation in the regulation though, just like when David Mellor stood up and announced that the all seater rule would not apply to the 3rd and 4th divison grounds (after initially they were also to go all seated with the top two tiers).

I've also heard Celtic are bringing standing in too - as Scotland did not come under the all seated regulation, only clubs in England and Wales.
The Scottish FA was, however, forced to introduce a ''voluntary'' rule of entry into the SPL having an all seated stadium or the government would force the Football Licensing Authority upon them.
Now Scotland has its own parliament, that pressure from the UK government means fuck all.

So basically it wouldn't actually take too much to get the legislation changed then? That's encouraging.

I know you're a long-standing (pardon the pun) campaigner for safe standing areas - do you feel that this is now a lot closer to happening than it was a few years ago? It seems to me that there has been a lot more momentum of late, and if the OP has got it right then we're hopefully close to seeing a return to standing areas in top flight football, if only on an initial trial basis.

I definitely feel there is something in the air.....
3 reasons, the bloke at the FLA (wont mention his name) was a complete stickler for seated grounds and wouldnt entertain any dialogue with me / FSF. He retired about 2 years ago and the person who came in is more receptive to a discussion.
Secondly, it was always stated ''there are no calls for it within the industry'' ie clubs. Those few clubs that did stick their necks out were given veiled threats (see the first reason!) to keep quiet.
Now clubs are lining up to support it. We always said at the FSF, once clubs cant fill seats and the price is getting high, they will back standing, not for the reasons we want it, but they are supporting the campaign nevertheless!
3, I tend to hear less and less from the Hillsborough Families Group over this issue, they were the first set of people the media always went to when the issue came up. I think since ''the truth'' about that day has now come out, I'm not saying their stance has changed, but their vocal opposition to it has lessened. I may be wrong on that being 3,500 miles away, or maybe the media are not seeking them out as much......
but it is all adding up...... we always knew it would be a long slog..... I started the campaign in 2000 and felt like jacking it in many a time, which is what the FLA would have loved... and that's what kept me going.... but I feel confident something will happen..... definitely a trial.... fingers crossed..

 

[stonerblue]

Correct, it is not legislation just a regulation.
It would need the home secretary or minister for sport to stand up in Parliament and announce the relaxation in the regulation though, just like when David Mellor stood up and announced that the all seater rule would not apply to the 3rd and 4th divison grounds (after initially they were also to go all seated with the top two tiers).

I've also heard Celtic are bringing standing in too - as Scotland did not come under the all seated regulation, only clubs in England and Wales.
The Scottish FA was, however, forced to introduce a ''voluntary'' rule of entry into the SPL having an all seated stadium or the government would force the Football Licensing Authority upon them.
Now Scotland has its own parliament, that pressure from the UK government means fuck all.

So basically it wouldn't actually take too much to get the legislation changed then? That's encouraging.

I know you're a long-standing (pardon the pun) campaigner for safe standing areas - do you feel that this is now a lot closer to happening than it was a few years ago? It seems to me that there has been a lot more momentum of late, and if the OP has got it right then we're hopefully close to seeing a return to standing areas in top flight football, if only on an initial trial basis.

I definitely feel there is something in the air.....
3 reasons, the bloke at the FLA (wont mention his name) was a complete stickler for seated grounds and wouldnt entertain any dialogue with me / FSF. He retired about 2 years ago and the person who came in is more receptive to a discussion.
Secondly, it was always stated ''there are no calls for it within the industry'' ie clubs. Those few clubs that did stick their necks out were given veiled threats (see the first reason!) to keep quiet.
Now clubs are lining up to support it. We always said at the FSF, once clubs cant fill seats and the price is getting high, they will back standing, not for the reasons we want it, but they are supporting the campaign nevertheless!
3, I tend to hear less and less from the Hillsborough Families Group over this issue, they were the first set of people the media always went to when the issue came up. I think since ''the truth'' about that day has now come out, I'm not saying their stance has changed, but their vocal opposition to it has lessened. I may be wrong on that being 3,500 miles away, or maybe the media are not seeking them out as much......
but it is all adding up...... we always knew it would be a long slog..... I started the campaign in 2000 and felt like jacking it in many a time, which is what the FLA would have loved... and that's what kept me going.... but I feel confident something will happen..... definitely a trial.... fingers crossed..

Well played to you screamer.

The woman heading the HFG has stated more than once her opposition to standing after the latest inquiry was released.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Would be great if city can get safe standing

Even greater as the rags say they can't entertain the idea as their ground is unsuitable for standing. We'll have the atmosphere and they'll have the tourists!

Which means they will apply pressure behind the scenes to stop us from doing it.