Salary

PrestwichPeteMcfc said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
BlueBearBoots said:
Been in a similar position before - get yourself another job and increase your salary that way why would you want to work for a lying cheeting company that don't deliver? You are worth more than that and there are companies out there that appreciate that
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I've also been in that situation many years ago but would offer a word of caution. I was brought in to a company on a low grade but was doing a much more high-profile strategic project and doing it well. Like you I was promised a substantial rise at my next review. When that came I got the same sort of story. It was a great company but I put myself on the market to get an idea of what my skills were worth and it appeared they were worth a lot more. One offer pretty well doubled my existing package so I took it. However it wasn't quite as straightforward as that because the new company was horrendous to work for.

After 12 months I contacted my old company and went back there. Initially it was on a freelance basis but when a permanent position came up they offered it to me with a much better salary than I'd been on when I left.

So I'd suggest you get an idea of what you're worth on the market by applying for jobs and getting offers. If you don't get anything then you're a bit stuffed but if you do then you've got a stick to use. If they want to keep you they'll find a way but you have to go in and make a case without being overly threatening. If they call your bluff then you have to be prepared to hand your notice in. But think very carefully if that's really what you want to do. All that glitters is not gold.
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Do you mind me asking what line of work you're in? I'm interested in setting up on my own once I'm qualified, but wouldn't really know where to start.
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I think he must be one of them "bullshit busters".

For more information speak to Ed Thompson.
 
I agree with much of the advice given. You are a small fry in a large company, kicking up a fuss will just leave a bad impression, at a time when you are trying to give the best impression of yourself. I'm 38 now, and I learned the hard way. I kicked up a fuss all the way through my 20's (even e-mailing the CEO when I didn't get a company car!) It got me nowhere. In my experience, the best that you can do is knuckle down an be patient. It will come to you when you least expect it.

I now earn a really decent salary, more than anyone in my circle of friends or family, and none of it was gained by whinging everytime I had a setback. To be honest, the wheels start to turn once you pass 30 and people start to trust and respect your integrity. You will have battles throughout the early stages of your career, but taking it on the chin can sometimes score you more brownie points than spitting your dummy out.
 
However you decide to play this, do not leave for at least 6 months - Your CV will look shite if you've moved from your first Post-Grad job within a year.
Also remember that you've probably got the best part of 35 years to earn a load of cash.
 
been in your position a few times, been promised pay rises / promotions in verbal appraisals that came to nothing once the formal letters came out.

you either have to stick it out and hope that one day your employer comes good on the promises or get out and find something else.

have a look around, see what competitiors are paying and investigate what other opportunites are out there. if your particular market is bouyant and you're as good as you think you are (or can convince someone else that you are) then you're in a better bargaining position and can decide whether to stay or go. If the market isn't so good, you may have no choice but to stay put.
 
PrestwichPeteMcfc said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
BlueBearBoots said:
Been in a similar position before - get yourself another job and increase your salary that way why would you want to work for a lying cheeting company that don't deliver? You are worth more than that and there are companies out there that appreciate that
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I've also been in that situation many years ago but would offer a word of caution. I was brought in to a company on a low grade but was doing a much more high-profile strategic project and doing it well. Like you I was promised a substantial rise at my next review. When that came I got the same sort of story. It was a great company but I put myself on the market to get an idea of what my skills were worth and it appeared they were worth a lot more. One offer pretty well doubled my existing package so I took it. However it wasn't quite as straightforward as that because the new company was horrendous to work for.

After 12 months I contacted my old company and went back there. Initially it was on a freelance basis but when a permanent position came up they offered it to me with a much better salary than I'd been on when I left.

So I'd suggest you get an idea of what you're worth on the market by applying for jobs and getting offers. If you don't get anything then you're a bit stuffed but if you do then you've got a stick to use. If they want to keep you they'll find a way but you have to go in and make a case without being overly threatening. If they call your bluff then you have to be prepared to hand your notice in. But think very carefully if that's really what you want to do. All that glitters is not gold.
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Do you mind me asking what line of work you're in? I'm interested in setting up on my own once I'm qualified, but wouldn't really know where to start.
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I'm in IT Pete, although less IT & more management consultancy these days. Weren't you in the IT line iirc?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
PrestwichPeteMcfc said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
I've also been in that situation many years ago but would offer a word of caution. I was brought in to a company on a low grade but was doing a much more high-profile strategic project and doing it well. Like you I was promised a substantial rise at my next review. When that came I got the same sort of story. It was a great company but I put myself on the market to get an idea of what my skills were worth and it appeared they were worth a lot more. One offer pretty well doubled my existing package so I took it. However it wasn't quite as straightforward as that because the new company was horrendous to work for.

After 12 months I contacted my old company and went back there. Initially it was on a freelance basis but when a permanent position came up they offered it to me with a much better salary than I'd been on when I left.

So I'd suggest you get an idea of what you're worth on the market by applying for jobs and getting offers. If you don't get anything then you're a bit stuffed but if you do then you've got a stick to use. If they want to keep you they'll find a way but you have to go in and make a case without being overly threatening. If they call your bluff then you have to be prepared to hand your notice in. But think very carefully if that's really what you want to do. All that glitters is not gold.
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Do you mind me asking what line of work you're in? I'm interested in setting up on my own once I'm qualified, but wouldn't really know where to start.
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I'm in IT Pete, although less IT & more management consultancy these days. Weren't you in the IT line iirc?
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I'm in financial audit, working towards my CA (ICAS) qualification. Really like the idea of working for myself somewhere down the line though.
 
Blue-Eyes said:
However you decide to play this, do not leave for at least 6 months - Your CV will look shite if you've moved from your first Post-Grad job within a year.
Also remember that you've probably got the best part of 35 years to earn a load of cash.
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Definitely a point of consideration for me. Although I do have other things on my CV that aren't strictly full-time work, I'm worried how only lasting 5 months will look. I'm determined to be there at least a year.

Carstairs said:
This is an interesting lesson in life, and one that it pays (sic) to learn early doors.


You will never earn the money that you believe your labour merits
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Sage. At least I'm learning at 23, not 43.

Thanks for people's help. Definitely have a lot more clarity on where I stand.
 
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