Salary

[Balti]

Rather depends on your ambition

Or both indeed
Either will get you so far
Both will (probably) take you further
Maybe ambition is the key ingredient as you suggest

And honesty, loyalty, fortitude, humor, and luck.


They all help as well (I know that you know that Balti.....)


Without wanting to offend anyone, I do wonder whether modern day graduates (or indeed school leavers) are really be well enough served by their institutions.

Always an element of luck too of course

But ambition and desire (backed by ability/talent) is what will usually do it imo

Maybe we have too many graduates whose expectations may be too high especially in the current economic climate?

 

[ManCitizens.]

Or both indeed
Either will get you so far
Both will (probably) take you further
Maybe ambition is the key ingredient as you suggest

And honesty, loyalty, fortitude, humor, and luck.


They all help as well (I know that you know that Balti.....)


Without wanting to offend anyone, I do wonder whether modern day graduates (or indeed school leavers) are really be well enough served by their institutions.

Always an element of luck too of course

But ambition and desire (backed by ability/talent) is what will usually do it imo

Maybe we have too many graduates whose expectations may be too high especially in the current economic climate?

Lecturers at uni and college speakers spend five years telling students "get a 2:1 and your set for life." Students expect an opportunity as they're told it will come.

 

[Carstairs]

And honesty, loyalty, fortitude, humor, and luck.


They all help as well (I know that you know that Balti.....)


Without wanting to offend anyone, I do wonder whether modern day graduates (or indeed school leavers) are really be well enough served by their institutions.

Always an element of luck too of course

But ambition and desire (backed by ability/talent) is what will usually do it imo

Maybe we have too many graduates whose expectations may be too high especially in the current economic climate?

Lecturers at uni and college speakers spend five years telling students "get a 2:1 and your set for life." Students expect an opportunity as they're told it will come.

That chimes with some of the things I have experienced with young graduates, where I've been left feeling that they have been promised the earth, but nobody mentioned to them that there would be some digging to do before they got it.

I don't want to tar all grads/youth with the same brush, mind.


Personally, and I have no formal qualifications, I don't believe that I am any worse off (at 35) now than I would be had I pursued an academic education. I think I did my learning in the real world by making mistakes and having to bear the consequences. I learned a thing or two that a busy lecturer couldn't have taught me!

 

[MCFCinUSA]

Been in a similar position before - get yourself another job and increase your salary that way why would you want to work for a lying cheeting company that don't deliver? You are worth more than that and there are companies out there that appreciate that

Cheers BBB, but I've just uprooted my life to move to the area, and I'd rather persevere. If that means sticking with my current salary then so be it.

Agree but politely let them know you are dissapointed, stipulate a review in another month or two - perhaps the start of the new financial year. Continue to work hard and don't let this affect your outward attitude or performance. That way you will justify at least the promised raise, or at least have an impressive cv for your next employer.
My guess is that unless you have done something you haven't put in the op your boss is just trying to keep wages within a budget (which will be one of his performance indicators) and you are the unlucky one - nothing personal.

Thanks, sounds like decent advice.

Some great advice given in this thread.

Two things to bear in mind:

- your progression may be a factor of several things:

1) those within your control

2) those outside of it

under the first category comes your inter-personal skills and a large part of this as it relates to your present predicament is your ability to negotiate; this you can improve upon significantly.

I strongly recommend you dig out a couple of books from the library on salary & job negotiation (don't go general - especially as a great deal of what's written on negotiation can be misleading if not downright dangerous, especially where ethical considerations are compromised & ploys/tactics are dealt out by the 'macho' men) and you bone-up on what the 'best practice' ways are to further your corner and with assertive determination go about furthering your case in ways that are going to increase your prospects. Complaining isn't one of them.

regarding circumstances outside of your ambit, all you can do is look around and explore other possibilities (discretely) if you genuinely feel you're not well matched in your current job and/or feel you're being taken advantage of without the opportunity for recompense later on and become frustrated.

'think it through' and don't do anything rash.

if you have a plan & are organised with it you'll do just fine impressing upon others where you stand & getting a little more of what you want from them - in exchange for giving them a little of what they're after (the essence of a good negotiation)

 

[hilts]

Anybody else think the op is a bit of a brown noser? works extra hours and weekends seems a bit needy to me, not a team player for sure

Bet he never gets invited to after work drinks with colleagues, always wary of this type

 

[MCFCinUSA]

Anybody else think the op is a bit of a brown noser? works extra hours and weekends seems a bit needy to me, not a team player for sure

Bet he never gets invited to after work drinks with colleagues, always wary of this type

ehehe

I was waiting for this post & this thread was sadly 'lacking'


*** and of course don't forget the recent resignation thread, some excellent contributions for when that time comes here from Johnny on the Spot: <a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=295847" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=5&t=295847</a>

 

[ManCitizens.]

Always an element of luck too of course

But ambition and desire (backed by ability/talent) is what will usually do it imo

Maybe we have too many graduates whose expectations may be too high especially in the current economic climate?

Lecturers at uni and college speakers spend five years telling students "get a 2:1 and your set for life." Students expect an opportunity as they're told it will come.

That chimes with some of the things I have experienced with young graduates, where I've been left feeling that they have been promised the earth, but nobody mentioned to them that there would be some digging to do before they got it.

I don't want to tar all grads/youth with the same brush, mind.


Personally, and I have no formal qualifications, I don't believe that I am any worse off (at 35) now than I would be had I pursued an academic education. I think I did my learning in the real world by making mistakes and having to bear the consequences. I learned a thing or two that a busy lecturer couldn't have taught me!

I spent three years working part time for a firm whilst studying. Throughout that time I was adamant I'd be off as soon as my results came in, probably a mixture of naivety and arrogance on my part. I'm still at the same place but my attitude changed after a few knock backs in applications elsewhere. They've now given me an opportunity higher up and I'm hoping to repay the support and convenience of hours I received (would often call in rough telling them I had a lecture to attend) whilst gaining more experience.

The only downside is the low salary in comparison to other firms but I really don't care right now.

 

[Carstairs]

I strongly recommend you dig out a couple of books from the library on salary & job negotiation (don't go general - especially as a great deal of what's written on negotiation can be misleading if not downright dangerous, especially where ethical considerations are compromised & ploys/tactics are dealt out by the 'macho' men) and you bone-up on what the 'best practice' ways are to further your corner and with assertive determination go about furthering your case in ways that are going to increase your prospects. Complaining isn't one of them.

I strongly recommend that you get your head down, work bastard hard, try to learn something everyday, observe the different characters that you come across and learn something from each of them, and avoid self-help books ;)

And avoid advice from people like me :)


You will make mistakes, and there will be times when you you feel that you have dealt yourself a mortal blow. But you'll get by, and improve.

Try not to get "hands-on" with the office admin temp, though. Unless you are a liberal democrat, or a Radio one DJ

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

There's, literally nothing I can say at this point.

The dye is caste.

I'm a lazy, brown-nosing, typical graduate who feels entitled after getting out of tin-pot university with his degree in floor cleaning maintenance, I thought I was going to be a millionaire too. There's no coming back from that.

At least hilts post provided some light relief.

 

[ManCitizens.]

There's, literally nothing I can say at this point.

The dye is caste.

I'm a lazy, brown-nosing, typical graduate who feels entitled after getting out of tin-pot university with his degree in floor cleaning maintenance, I thought I was going to be a millionaire too. There's no coming back from that.

At least hilts post provided some light relief.

Haha, my posts weren't about you mate. They were partly about me and 75% of fellow graduates :).

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

P.S. Thanks, Carstairs and MCFCinUSA.<br /><br />-- Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:54 am --<br /><br />

There's, literally nothing I can say at this point.

The dye is caste.

I'm a lazy, brown-nosing, typical graduate who feels entitled after getting out of tin-pot university with his degree in floor cleaning maintenance, I thought I was going to be a millionaire too. There's no coming back from that.

At least hilts post provided some light relief.

Haha, my posts weren't about you mate. They were partly about me and 75% of fellow graduates :).

I know a lot of graduates are like that, which is why I don't take it personally.

I'm sure a few of the guys on here know I don't fit the stereotypes very well.

 

[hilts]

Lecturers at uni and college speakers spend five years telling students "get a 2:1 and your set for life." Students expect an opportunity as they're told it will come.

That chimes with some of the things I have experienced with young graduates, where I've been left feeling that they have been promised the earth, but nobody mentioned to them that there would be some digging to do before they got it.

I don't want to tar all grads/youth with the same brush, mind.


Personally, and I have no formal qualifications, I don't believe that I am any worse off (at 35) now than I would be had I pursued an academic education. I think I did my learning in the real world by making mistakes and having to bear the consequences. I learned a thing or two that a busy lecturer couldn't have taught me!

I spent three years working part time for a firm whilst studying. Throughout that time I was adamant I'd be off as soon as my results came in, probably a mixture of naivety and arrogance on my part. I'm still at the same place but my attitude changed after a few knock backs in applications elsewhere. They've now given me an opportunity higher up and I'm hoping to repay the support and convenience of hours I received (would often call in rough telling them I had a lecture to attend) whilst gaining more experience.

The only downside is the low salary in comparison to other firms but I really don't care right now.

The best thing to do is take no shit, i proper saw my arse and demanded what i was worth. they folded like a pack of cards, chief burger flipper now

top of the world ma

 

[MCFCinUSA]

I strongly recommend you dig out a couple of books from the library on salary & job negotiation (don't go general - especially as a great deal of what's written on negotiation can be misleading if not downright dangerous, especially where ethical considerations are compromised & ploys/tactics are dealt out by the 'macho' men) and you bone-up on what the 'best practice' ways are to further your corner and with assertive determination go about furthering your case in ways that are going to increase your prospects. Complaining isn't one of them.

I strongly recommend that you get your head down, work bastard hard, try to learn something everyday, observe the different characters that you come across and learn something from each of them, and avoid self-help books ;)

And avoid advice from people like me :)


You will make mistakes, and there will be times when you you feel that you have dealt yourself a mortal blow. But you'll get by, and improve.

Try not to get "hands-on" with the office admin temp, though. Unless you are a liberal democrat, or a Radio one DJ

all that said, there are some excellent books on salary negotiation - which is a PROCESS, and as others in the thread have commented involves preparation & documentation (of your case) and there are good, better and best ways to go about executing such; my suggestion is you DO NOT want to discover these from trial & error.

crappy books on negotiation (and I have my own private library of them, and I buy many of them because they're so bad) are much of a bum steer, but the specialist books - and you can check out their reviews on Amazon, are well worth your time & money, and in the case of the OP's situation they fit well.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

That chimes with some of the things I have experienced with young graduates, where I've been left feeling that they have been promised the earth, but nobody mentioned to them that there would be some digging to do before they got it.

I don't want to tar all grads/youth with the same brush, mind.


Personally, and I have no formal qualifications, I don't believe that I am any worse off (at 35) now than I would be had I pursued an academic education. I think I did my learning in the real world by making mistakes and having to bear the consequences. I learned a thing or two that a busy lecturer couldn't have taught me!

I spent three years working part time for a firm whilst studying. Throughout that time I was adamant I'd be off as soon as my results came in, probably a mixture of naivety and arrogance on my part. I'm still at the same place but my attitude changed after a few knock backs in applications elsewhere. They've now given me an opportunity higher up and I'm hoping to repay the support and convenience of hours I received (would often call in rough telling them I had a lecture to attend) whilst gaining more experience.

The only downside is the low salary in comparison to other firms but I really don't care right now.

The best thing to do is take no shit, i proper saw my arse and demanded what i was worth. they folded like a pack of cards, chief burger flipper now

top of the world ma

You've given me hope that... one day... with enough quality flipping... and some good people skills...

Bring on the execs. I'll be in charge of that McMuffin griller by the end of the day (which will be useless at that point but I like to think it shows desire).

 

[ManCitizens.]

P.S. Thanks, Carstairs and MCFCinUSA.

-- Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:54 am --

There's, literally nothing I can say at this point.

The dye is caste.

I'm a lazy, brown-nosing, typical graduate who feels entitled after getting out of tin-pot university with his degree in floor cleaning maintenance, I thought I was going to be a millionaire too. There's no coming back from that.

At least hilts post provided some light relief.

Haha, my posts weren't about you mate. They were partly about me and 75% of fellow graduates :).

I know a lot of graduates are like that, which is why I don't take it personally.

I'm sure a few of the guys on here know I don't fit the stereotypes very well.

You sound like you're doing well and your OP is the real question, when is it acceptable to ask for more?

 

[foxy]

Fuck em off, sounds like they are LYING. Don't work for a liar and find a better salary elsewhere. I have heard some right whoppers in my time and sounds like the CEO is telling a big fat fib. The only thing CEOs care about is MONEY and they will tell any fib to protect it. If you are putting in the extra hours then they should be paying it.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I have heard some right whoppers in my time

You did work in the Houses of Parliament to be fair.

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

We have had six pages so far and no matter the wording, it simply breaks down as;

A, Take it up the arse
B, Back your talent

It's your career, your future,your life.

 

[Barcon]

Rather depends on your ability

Rather depends on your ambition

Or both indeed
Either will get you so far
Both will (probably) take you further
Maybe ambition is the key ingredient as you suggest

People will always believe they deserve more.
The fact that you were with Mrs B all night tells me all I need to know about your ambition ;)

 

[johnmc]

May have been asked but are there a few companies in the area that would use your skills.