Sam Allardyce

SpiritofBurnden said:
Aye because Allardyce has never signed any big name players has he?
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I assume Everton fans will be thinking big with the takeover, so in that respect no he hasn't. I don't count the free transfers of aging european players he picked up at Bolton as signing big name players, with Anelka having Bolton as his only escape route from Turkey being his one major signing. Incidentally he went to Chelsea after a year so hardly wanted to stop and flourish under the total football of Sam. There is no way he would be able to entice the best players in the world to Everton to play his turgid brand of football. Allardyce is a manager who keeps teams up, which Is a skill in itself and their immediate priority, but to move up to the next level is a step to far for him, as he proved at Newcastle.
 
PW said:
I assume Everton fans will be thinking big with the takeover, so in that respect no he hasn't. I don't count the free transfers of aging european players he picked up at Bolton as signing big name players, with Anelka having Bolton as his only escape route from Turkey being his one major signing. Incidentally he went to Chelsea after a year so hardly wanted to stop and flourish under the total football of Sam. There is no way he would be able to entice the best players in the world to Everton to play his turgid brand of football. Allardyce is a manager who keeps teams up, which Is a skill in itself and their immediate priority, but to move up to the next level is a step to far for him, as he proved at Newcastle.
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Allardyce wasn't there when Anelka left.

All Newcastle have proved since he left is that their next level was the Championship.
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
Glad we've cleared that up then.
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Erm, that was in response to this you idiot.
SpiritofBurnden said:
Aye because Allardyce has never signed any big name players has he?
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I merely mentioned them before you did, it’s not like you haven’t posted about so called big players he has signed on this board. You have many times boringly enough. That was the point which you’ve clearly missed.
Glad we’ve cleared that up. Whoooosh.
 
PW said:
I assume Everton fans will be thinking big with the takeover, so in that respect no he hasn't. I don't count the free transfers of aging european players he picked up at Bolton as signing big name players, with Anelka having Bolton as his only escape route from Turkey being his one major signing. Incidentally he went to Chelsea after a year so hardly wanted to stop and flourish under the total football of Sam. There is no way he would be able to entice the best players in the world to Everton to play his turgid brand of football. Allardyce is a manager who keeps teams up, which Is a skill in itself and their immediate priority, but to move up to the next level is a step to far for him, as he proved at Newcastle.
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He was at Newcastle 7 months
 
inchy14 said:
They were in free fall and the fans weren't happy with the style, when he gets the sack for being shit you still defend him ffs.
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They were 10th at end of October, 11th at end of November, 11th at end of December and 13th, following his sacking, at end of January. They bobbed between 12th and 14th, finally finishing 13th. The following season they were relegated, so maybe sacking Allardyce wasn’t the most judicious piece of business.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
They were 10th at end of October, 11th at end of November, 11th at end of December and 13th, following his sacking, at end of January. They bobbed between 12th and 14th, finally finishing 13th. The following season they were relegated, so maybe sacking Allardyce wasn’t the most judicious piece of business.
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Shhhh don't bring facts in the way of a good Sam-bashing.

Everton are in the top 10 even before Sam has properly got going. Top 10 is where they'll finish. They're 7 points off Burnley who will blip at some point, I make it a straight fight between Leicester, Watford and Everton for 7th. Winner gets Marco Silva in the Summer.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
They were 10th at end of October, 11th at end of November, 11th at end of December and 13th, following his sacking, at end of January. They bobbed between 12th and 14th, finally finishing 13th. The following season they were relegated, so maybe sacking Allardyce wasn’t the most judicious piece of business.
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Well if you think that each month he dropped down a place by the end of the season they'd have been 17th and only just avoided it, there was a downward trend and the owners and more importantly fans had had enough.

@BlueHammer85 and @SpiritofBurnden like to big him up and give him credit yet he's won the sum of fuck all and during all his years as a supposed top manager, not one top flight club has even been interested in him, Christ even Moyes got the rag job, Hodgson had Liverpool, Juande Ramos, Time Sherwood,Martin Jol and Pochetino all got the Spurs gigs and Chelsea went for Villas Boas and have had Benitez instead of going for 'Fat Sam'.

No big club wants to touch the fucker as they know he's shite.
 
inchy14 said:
Well if you think that each month he dropped down a place by the end of the season they'd have been 17th and only just avoided it, there was a downward trend and the owners and more importantly fans had had enough.

@BlueHammer85 and @SpiritofBurnden like to big him up and give him credit yet he's won the sum of fuck all and during all his years as a supposed top manager, not one top flight club has even been interested in him, Christ even Moyes got the rag job, Hodgson had Liverpool, Juande Ramos, Time Sherwood,Martin Jol and Pochetino all got the Spurs gigs and Chelsea went for Villas Boas and have had Benitez instead of going for 'Fat Sam'.

No big club wants to touch the fucker as they know he's shite.
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Fully agree with your synopsis of Allardyce's career, with his appointment as England manager both embarrassing and a sad indictment on the limited choices available at the time. It wasn't to dissimilar to Mike Bassett's appointment in the film in that they had hobson's choice in the end. How many other renowned footballing nations would have picked a coach whose CV is that of successful relegation battles, a coach who plays dire football and is hardly Rinus Michels when it comes to tactical nous and is well known for his iffy dealings.

He has made a good career out of football and is no doubt very wealthy as a result, but he is not and never will be a top drawer coach. He is tactically inept and knows how to deliver one brand of football, which ultimately cost him his job at West Ham. Everton with their new found wealth will not attract big names with him in charge and quoting Okocha, Djorkaeff, Hierra and Campo is not the same as reeling in the highly sought after players that the bigger clubs will compete for during the transfer windows. Everton very much like us are a big club who have lost their way and since the eighties have struggled.There fans will be expecting big things and I doubt they'll be happy with this appointment, compared to Mancini, who despite being able to cause a fight in an empty house was already a well respected player and coach, had panache, tactical nous and the ability to attract big names players. He was the right man at the right time and was the initial foundation laid for where we find ourselves today.
 
Why is it that Allardyce is either a great manager or an awful one? He's good and reliable. Uninspiring and rather turgid yes, but in no way bad.

He's certainly made himself out to be a bit of a fool with his comments. But out of all the boring, clichéd, safety-first managers he's easily the best of them.

I'd take Silva over him everytime if I could. But I'd take Guardiola over Conte too and that doesn't mean Conte isn't a great manager.
 
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