Sane left out of Germany World Cup Squad

I agree it's a shocking decision but Has anyone here seen how Sane has been playing with the German NT? I've heard he didn't fit in with their tactics. Let's not forget Low won the last WC. I think he knows what's he is doing. Let's not jump to conclusions. Im just hoping it's because of tactics and the current German squad is stacked with talent rather than some rumors I've heard about Sane's ego
 
Cityfan1977 said:
What I was trying to say is that Sane chose City instead of Bayern and by doing that pissed off the Germany mafia
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That is why Wagner, who went to Bayern after consulting Löw if that move would bring him forward, is left out of the team - despite showing exactly that in the last months what is needed in the reserve striker role especially in connection with Germany's players?

I am pretty sure that it especially was Löw who thought it was great that Sane goes to Pep for his development. During the time in Germany Guardiola and Löw often met or had contact and discussed their players.

Why is Gündogan in the team? And Brandt who snubbed Bayern, too?

There is reasons why Sane was sent home - but that is not one of it.
 
Maldeika said:
That is why Wagner, who went to Bayern after consulting Löw if that move would bring him forward, is left out of the team - despite showing exactly that in the last months what is needed in the reserve striker role especially in connection with Germany's players?

I am pretty sure that it especially was Löw who thought it was great that Sane goes to Pep for his development. During the time in Germany Guardiola and Löw often met or had contact and discussed their players.

Why is Gündogan in the team? And Brandt who snubbed Bayern, too?

There is reasons why Sane was sent home - but that is not one of it.
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So what are the reasons?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
So what are the reasons?
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Try it with the reasons Honigstein has given on ESPN: http://global.espn.com/football/clu...ission-by-germany-makes-sense-for-joachim-low


The announcement of Germany's 23-man squad for the World Cup on Monday saw three players culled expectedly, as well as one shock omission: Leroy Sane, the PFA young player of the year in England and widely-tipped as a player to watch in Russia, will instead have to watch the games on television.

The Manchester City winger will be joined on the metaphorical sofa by Freiburg striker Nils Petersen, who only ever had an outside chance of making the trip; Bernd Leno, the Bayer Leverkusen goalkeeper, who fell victim to Manuel Neuer's timely recovery as Germany's No. 1 and captain; Jonathan Tah, who had only been training in Eppan as a back-up for Jerome Boateng, in manager Joachim Low's words.

But the decision to omit Sane was a lot less predictable, to put it mildly. The 22-year-old's superlative season for the Premier League champions had made him one of the most exciting prospects for this summer but Low, a pragmatist in fancy clothing, is less concerned with Sane's undeniable promise. His focus is narrower and he doesn't care much for perception or reputation.

The Bundestrainer's criteria ahead of his sixth tournament in charge are more hard-nosed: He wants players who have performed for him and who fit into his team, both tactically and socially. On all those three points, Sane has been found lacking, albeit not exclusively due to his own fault.

"Leroy is a great talent," Low said. But, he continued, he had not had made his mark in previous games for the national team. The German word he used was angekommen -- arrived -- implying that Sane had failed to connect, on and off the pitch, in a meaningful way with his teammates. There was another clue when Low mentioned that Leverkusen's Julian Brandt, the fourth wide player at whose expense Sane was dropped, had gone to the Confederations Cup.

Sane had not, by contrast, opting instead to have a surgery on his nose last summer. That decision had not gone down well with the German FA hierarchy at the time; Low and team manager Oliver Bierhoff felt that the player would have done better to use the chance to stake his claim for the World Cup squad.

The snub should not be misunderstood as a vindictive act, however. Low's main concern was to have a squad that works, in matches and between them. In Thomas Muller and Marco Reus, he name-checked his preferred starters in wide areas, with Brandt and Julian Draxler as options off the bench. Low did not feel that taking Sane as a fifth wide attacking midfielder warranted leaving a defensive player at home.

"We needed balance," Low said and it's conceivable that the Germany coach had doubts about Sane accepting the role as fourth- or fifth-choice on the flanks. The experience of Euro 2012 has taught him about the dangers of having players in the travelling party, who do not accept their position in the pecking order.

These "soft" considerations go some way to explain Sane missing out but they do not shed light on why he is not seen as crucial in the first place. One reason are the numbers: In 12 games for the senior team, he has never found the target or played convincingly. Against the deep, reactive opposition that Germany inevitably face, he has struggled to pick up dangerous spaces and pace on the left flank and often cut an isolated figure.

There's an argument that Sane gets cramped by Toni Kroos acting as a playmaker on the inside left of central midfield and that he's not adept at contributing to a controlled, slow approach (see German tactics bloggers Spielverlagerung for more on that).

But one wonders if it might not have been possible to tweak the final-third approach to utilise Sané's one-vs-one skillset. Low obviously felt that too much work was needed and thus opted for more ready-made options, who combine penetrative runs with ball domination.

Sané's explosive runs will be most missed in the latter stages of games, when he could have come on as a substitute but, then again, Low has a striker in Timo Werner, who can do a similar job from a more central position.

In the end, Low simply didn't think Sane was what Germany needed. Due to the youngster's negligible impact at international level, a genuine sense of surprise at the news is unlikely to give way to bouts of anger or more serious recrimination, should Germany's title defence fail.

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It is probably a multiple reasons that as one might not "be enough" but added together make it understandable. Sane - because of players of quality that match better to the system (it is not just about club performance and talent but of performance for the national team, experience and standing) - would not have been no. 1 or 2 on the left wing. And then a lot of "soft" factors go into it like e.g. which player will take a role as winger no. 4 or 5 in a six week period together in a team better, too. Part of that 2014 title win were the bench players that might not have been satisfied that they did not play but held the spirit high in that team helping the others that played.
 
Maldeika said:
Try it with the reasons Honigstein has given on ESPN: http://global.espn.com/football/clu...ission-by-germany-makes-sense-for-joachim-low


The announcement of Germany's 23-man squad for the World Cup on Monday saw three players culled expectedly, as well as one shock omission: Leroy Sane, the PFA young player of the year in England and widely-tipped as a player to watch in Russia, will instead have to watch the games on television.

The Manchester City winger will be joined on the metaphorical sofa by Freiburg striker Nils Petersen, who only ever had an outside chance of making the trip; Bernd Leno, the Bayer Leverkusen goalkeeper, who fell victim to Manuel Neuer's timely recovery as Germany's No. 1 and captain; Jonathan Tah, who had only been training in Eppan as a back-up for Jerome Boateng, in manager Joachim Low's words.

But the decision to omit Sane was a lot less predictable, to put it mildly. The 22-year-old's superlative season for the Premier League champions had made him one of the most exciting prospects for this summer but Low, a pragmatist in fancy clothing, is less concerned with Sane's undeniable promise. His focus is narrower and he doesn't care much for perception or reputation.

The Bundestrainer's criteria ahead of his sixth tournament in charge are more hard-nosed: He wants players who have performed for him and who fit into his team, both tactically and socially. On all those three points, Sane has been found lacking, albeit not exclusively due to his own fault.

"Leroy is a great talent," Low said. But, he continued, he had not had made his mark in previous games for the national team. The German word he used was angekommen -- arrived -- implying that Sane had failed to connect, on and off the pitch, in a meaningful way with his teammates. There was another clue when Low mentioned that Leverkusen's Julian Brandt, the fourth wide player at whose expense Sane was dropped, had gone to the Confederations Cup.

Sane had not, by contrast, opting instead to have a surgery on his nose last summer. That decision had not gone down well with the German FA hierarchy at the time; Low and team manager Oliver Bierhoff felt that the player would have done better to use the chance to stake his claim for the World Cup squad.

The snub should not be misunderstood as a vindictive act, however. Low's main concern was to have a squad that works, in matches and between them. In Thomas Muller and Marco Reus, he name-checked his preferred starters in wide areas, with Brandt and Julian Draxler as options off the bench. Low did not feel that taking Sane as a fifth wide attacking midfielder warranted leaving a defensive player at home.

"We needed balance," Low said and it's conceivable that the Germany coach had doubts about Sane accepting the role as fourth- or fifth-choice on the flanks. The experience of Euro 2012 has taught him about the dangers of having players in the travelling party, who do not accept their position in the pecking order.

These "soft" considerations go some way to explain Sane missing out but they do not shed light on why he is not seen as crucial in the first place. One reason are the numbers: In 12 games for the senior team, he has never found the target or played convincingly. Against the deep, reactive opposition that Germany inevitably face, he has struggled to pick up dangerous spaces and pace on the left flank and often cut an isolated figure.

There's an argument that Sane gets cramped by Toni Kroos acting as a playmaker on the inside left of central midfield and that he's not adept at contributing to a controlled, slow approach (see German tactics bloggers Spielverlagerung for more on that).

But one wonders if it might not have been possible to tweak the final-third approach to utilise Sané's one-vs-one skillset. Low obviously felt that too much work was needed and thus opted for more ready-made options, who combine penetrative runs with ball domination.

Sané's explosive runs will be most missed in the latter stages of games, when he could have come on as a substitute but, then again, Low has a striker in Timo Werner, who can do a similar job from a more central position.

In the end, Low simply didn't think Sane was what Germany needed. Due to the youngster's negligible impact at international level, a genuine sense of surprise at the news is unlikely to give way to bouts of anger or more serious recrimination, should Germany's title defence fail.

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It is probably a multiple reasons that as one might not "be enough" but added together make it understandable. Sane - because of players of quality that match better to the system (it is not just about club performance and talent but of performance for the national team, experience and standing) - would not have been no. 1 or 2 on the left wing. And then a lot of "soft" factors go into it like e.g. which player will take a role as winger no. 4 or 5 in a six week period together in a team better, too. Part of that 2014 title win were the bench players that might not have been satisfied that they did not play but held the spirit high in that team helping the others that played.
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Ok, Thanks. Sammy Lee published something quite similar. There have been hints that he is not popular in the German squad because of an arrogant attitude. Any truth in that from your perspective?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Ok, Thanks. Sammy Lee published something quite similar. There have been hints that he is not popular in the German squad because of an arrogant attitude. Any truth in that from your perspective?
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He has his buddies there with e.g. Özil and Draxler. In previous years he went into holidays with them. He might be a little bit too full of himself, maybe he was not "working" as much on the training pitch and following rules - but not one of this factors probably weighs enough as the one reason.

One factor that might have gone pro Brandt is maybe that with Tah and Leno already two of three players of the Leverkusen contigent had to go home. Tah was a non-brainer. Leno an understandable choice as the third keeper is in for the entertainment etc. and even if Trapp did not have much matches for PSG this season he had better matches for Germany and him and Ter Stegen used to have problems with each other in the U-teams.

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Just some more background explanation about that team

The rookie of the year of the EPL and big talent was left out might sound strange, but maybe it does not when you look at the German team.
It is build on a spine of the U21 winners of 2009 and the young players that were added in 2010 World Cup. All now play together with each others for 8 and in parts for more years. Kroos and Müller e.g. already played together in one Bayern youth team in 2006. Others already in U15 teams of the DFB. National squads come together far less than club teams - so playing together for a very long time or groups of players that play together in their club teams (like the spanish at Barcelona or Madrid, the Italians at Juve (ok, not a good example right now) or the Bayern players give a national team an advantage)

They already were the spine in winning the World Cup 2014 - even if the "oldies" like Schweinsteiger, Lahm and Klose were the team leaders and still had their roles.

Neuer (32), Khedira (31), Hummels (29), Boateng (29), Özil (29), Müller (28), Kroos (28) are now the spine - all of them but Özil are team captains. They have between 70 and 90 caps, a lot of experience for the national team and in their club sides were they won multiple national and international trophies. They are all now in their best age - but for some of them it will be the last World Cup. Know each other on the pitch and are friends off the pitch.

Maybe you understand than that it is certainly not this team that has to adapt to Sane's style but the other way around. Sane will get his chance when after this World Cup in the next years younger players will have to replace some of the older ones.

Kimmich took over from Lahm - first in the national team than at Bayern. His strengths are more in offense than in defense in difference to Lahm - but he has a personality that shouts future captain. Hector might not have the class of some others - but the left full back spot always was the Achilles heel for Germany. Werner has started to fill that striker spot that Klose left unoccupied. He already knows and tells that he has to go to a bigger club to make the step to World Class. Since Podolski lost his position on the left wing in 2012 we have seen various players fill in. Actually it always was Marco Reus' spot - but you know of his injuries. There was Götze, Özil, Podolski in last World Cup. Schürrle and recently Draxler who played on it. Right now it is better played with an inside forward with some playmaker attributes - that is why Reus and Draxler are ahead of Sane. Sane got various chances - yes, probably very seldom in a good setup with the first team players but that is how it works - but could not show his class in this environment.
 
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Maldeika said:
He has his buddies there with e.g. Özil and Draxler. In previous years he went into holidays with them. He might be a little bit too full of himself, maybe he was not "working" as much on the training pitch and following rules - but not one of this factors probably weighs enough as the one reason.

One factor that might have gone pro Brandt is maybe that with Tah and Leno already two of three players of the Leverkusen contigent had to go home. Tah was a non-brainer. Leno an understandable choice as the third keeper is in for the entertainment etc. and even if Trapp did not have much matches for PSG this season he had better matches for Germany and him and Ter Stegen used to have problems with each other in the U-teams.

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Just some more background explanation about that team

The rookie of the year of the EPL and big talent was left out might sound strange, but maybe it does not when you look at the German team.
It is build on a spine of the U21 winners of 2009 and the young players that were added in 2010 World Cup. All now play together with each others for 8 and in parts for more years. Kroos and Müller e.g. already played together in one Bayern youth team in 2006. Others already in U15 teams of the DFB. National squads come together far less than club teams - so playing together for a very long time or groups of players that play together in their club teams (like the spanish at Barcelona or Madrid, the Italians at Juve (ok, not a good example right now) or the Bayern players give a national team an advantage)

They already were the spine in winning the World Cup 2014 - even if the "oldies" like Schweinsteiger, Lahm and Klose were the team leaders and still had their roles.

Neuer (32), Khedira (31), Hummels (29), Boateng (29), Özil (29), Müller (28), Kroos (28) are now the spine - all of them but Özil are team captains. They have between 70 and 90 caps, a lot of experience for the national team and in their club sides were they won multiple national and international trophies. They are all now in their best age - but for some of them it will be the last World Cup. Know each other on the pitch and are friends off the pitch.

Maybe you understand than that it is certainly not this team that has to adapt to Sane's style but the other way around. Sane will get his chance when after this World Cup in the next years younger players will have to replace some of the older ones.

Kimmich took over from Lahm - first in the national team than at Bayern. His strengths are more in offense than in defense in difference to Lahm - but he has a personality that shouts future captain. Hector might not have the class of some others - but the left full back spot always was the Achilles heel for Germany. Werner has started to fill that striker spot that Klose left unoccupied. He already knows and tells that he has to go to a bigger club to make the step to World Class. Since Podolski lost his position on the left wing in 2012 we have seen various players fill in. Actually it always was Marco Reus' spot - but you know of his injuries. There was Götze, Özil, Podolski in last World Cup. Schürrle and recently Draxler who played on it. Right now it is better played with an inside forward with some playmaker attributes - that is why Reus and Draxler are ahead of Sane. Sane got various chances - yes, probably very seldom in a good setup with the first team players but that is how it works - but could not show his class in this environment.
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He has thrived this year playing Peps style and enjoying playing with Silva in particular. He is not the finished article by some way though and it may be that this disappointment could be a blessing in disguise if he takes it the right way. The thing with someone of his talent is that he can turn matches. He hasn’t done that yet for Germany but I believe he will. It sounds a bit like how he started for us when he first joined us. Slowly. But he was trusted and made huge steps in repaying the trust this season. If he continues to develop as he has this season his potential is phenomenal. Was looking forward to watching the German team, but less so now. Don’t think Gundo will make mutch of an impression.
 
Sane doesn't play the same role for Germany as he does for City, he doesn't look comfortable in the German system don't think there's anymore to it than that.
 
The kid couldn't breathe so he had to get his septum sorted,it was not a nose job in the way it is implied by our german rag friend,he had to have it done some time and it was done then so world cup summer was free,if the manager is acting like a baby over that then he doesnt deserve him,hope the germans bomb out early,as for saying he has a bad attitude,nice dig with no proof
 
Marvin said:
We know that now. That was not evident to me before he was dropped. I hadn't realised he was struggling in the German squad.

This must be a rational decision by the coach which is a little bit worrying as it suggests Sane has some weakness.
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No weakness it's more the fact the manager has his tried and tested players he is loyal to them which is understandable.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Could be the making of Leroy.

There are facets of his game which still need a kick up the arse but it's criminal he wasn't selected.

He's a young lad and hope he uses it to show just how good he is going to be for City next season.

Can't wait. Chin up, Leroy. We still love you.
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Leroy already has his head screwed on and will take this in his stride. By the age if 26 I am pretty sure he will be one of the top players in the world.
I suspect that Low knows Germany wont go far in the competition with a badly misfiring attack unless their defence is rock solid. Muller and the other attacking midfielders have been dreadful for Germany this season and Low knows his only hope is to play them all into form in a series of games.
Low uses a fluid 4-2-3-1 formation and his tactics require wingers who track back. For Sane to nail a regular start for Germany as one if the 3 his defending needs to improve (and lets be honest his appearances for us as a wing back for us have been bobins). That said if you need to score there is non better than Sane so from that perspective it is a dreadful decision not to take him as at least a sub.
As an England fan I'm delighted as we have a high probability of playing Germany in the QF if we manage to get out of our group.
Quite simply, Low has made an absolutely colossal cock up IMO.
 
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Let's be honest Sane is being punished for having the audacity to play for an English club. I'm sure the attitude of Hummels is matched by many in the squad, especially the arrogant Bayern contingent.
 
I also think this was partly influenced by the German FA, it's no secret they are jealous of the money floating around the PL. The exclusion of Sané is a talking point and will continue to be whenever Germany play, those around the world less in the know will assume the young PL player of the year was not good enough to make the squad comprised mainly of Bundesliga players. They would have wanted Sané to remain in Germany with a move to Bayern but he made his own mind up.

Not that Brandt is a bad player but I'm even sceptical of the excuse that this was a "defensive decision" as Sané has improved immensely in that area under Pep, think back to the amount of times we saw Sané sprinting back into his own half to stop the counter in the second half of the season, it was like having another Kyle Walker on the other flank at times. Yes he can switch off defensively but I doubt Brandt as a winger is not susceptible to that like most wingers are, I doubt it would happen much in a Germany shirt where his inclusion is not a given and every mistake magnified.
 
kiam06 said:
No weakness it's more the fact the manager has his tried and tested players he is loyal to them which is understandable.
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It’s kind of like Maureen deciding on his best squad....... Sane would suffer the same fate with managers who are one dimensional, which Low most definitely is.

This is why we see genuine greatness in Peps coaching ability, even Afrikaans!!!
 
Gundogan and Rudiger and Ozil are playing in England.
Trapp, ter Stegen, Kroos, Kedhira, Draxler also don't play for Bayern (who I dislike) but outside Bundesliga.

@bobbyowenquiff Sorry mate, that's absolutely no point at all and never has been.

It's also not about positions.
IF Low wanted to have Sané in his squad for his strengths, he would have had enough options to find find a lineup including Sané. He also has been switching to the right wing for City hasn't he? Or he could have been used as a great sub as many have stated several times.

Sané is on another level compared to Brandt.
If we ask what Sané has done for Germany - wtf has Brandt done??

The only point that really makes sense from my perspective is the team approach, that is key for Low.
The idea of a very strong team where every one supports every one 1000% is making the difference on the top level.

That's Low's philosophy ever since. Not a single exception can be tolerated.
There are some indications from several interviews with players and staff members, that Leroy didn't match that philosophy in the way he had to.
The consequence now is preferring a less talented and succesfull player like Brandt, who is just matching the team philosophy.

Maybe the fact that Brandt was one of the 4 dropped players in 2016 has had an influence. Not very convincing for me though.

I would have preferred Low and key players would have had a serious talk with Sané demanding a perfect team attitude.
Now we don't know if this has happened in some way. Actually I think those basics are addressed in a quite direct "German" way.

Bottom line I really hope Leroy takes some time and good advice to think about himself and his part of the sad story.
I always prefer the attitude and work ethics of the likes of KDB compared to Christiano Ronaldo.

I have watched Leroy often enough for City where I couldn't really say he has worked his socks off.
And still I love that lad and he would have been my man for the world cup.
 
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